They have socialist components to them. You are correct that the ACA really does not have a socialist element to it.
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They have socialist components to them. You are correct that the ACA really does not have a socialist element to it.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
what happens to someone who doesn't pay a court ordered fine?
If you are talking about ACA, practically nothing happens.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph...f-the-obamacare-tax/#2715e4857a0b2377f27f4424
A court ordered fine is not the same thing as a tax for not getting insurance under the ACA.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
wasn't referring to that. my point is, why are we forced to pay for someone who didn't buy health insurance? on top of that, going back to another discussion, why is health insurance necessary?
and do liberals actually feel like healthcare is a right?
As a nation, we do not simply let people die because they cant pay for reasonable health care. Right or wrong, its not what happens. When poor people don't have health insurance they get treated. Those costs are paid for in a variety of ways, ultimately costing the taxpayer and via cost-shifting other health care customers.
Because of this fact... requiring health insurance results in more freedom for all.
Above answers why health insurance is necessary... because society suffers without it.
The question as to if it is a right is more difficult to me. I don't consider it a right, but I do consider providing reasonable health care to our citizens to be the right thing to do for a large variety of reasons.
If we were simply to let people die or go on suffering from preventable disease it would cost society dearly, much like letting people whose families don't value education go on being uneducated.
To be a strong nation we much have universal compulsory education. I also believe we must have universal health care, for the strength and security of our nation.
So my answer is that health care is not a right, but it is something the nation should provide for the sake of the nation.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
that is pure delusional horseshit. it is in no absolute possible way 'more freedom'.
if you believe that the NATION should provide, then why are we being forced to buy a policy from a private company when it would be much easier to add another few billion in taxes to the people?
Yes, I feel like I have a right to life and healthcare is involved in that right.
How is it delusional horseshit. Its simply a fact. Hospitals don't turn away injured or dying people, they treat then find a way.
We are being forced to buy a policy, because many believe it is a way of keeping private industry in the game and thus keeping costs down and government out of some of it.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
1-you have a warped and twisted view of history concerning the 'right to life'.
2-healthcare is YOUR responsibility, not the governments. nor is your healthcare or 'right to life' my responsibility.
3-specifically detail how healthcare is involved in your right to life
SmarterthanYou
rebel
the hospitals responsibility is to stabilize only. if it's a government financed hospital, maybe that obligation goes deeper.
then you've failed, miserably. this is because you incompetent morons have attacked the problem in the wrong way.....or the right way if you take in to account that actual crony capitalism you are supporting but disavowing out of political expediency.
I don't know what the hospitals responsibility is, but I know what they actually do.
I don't think the ACA has failed, the rate of healthcare inflation has drastically slowed for the first time in 40 years and more people have insurance than ever before. Things in the healthcare industry are starting to stabilize. Its not a perfect system, for sure, but its better than what was happening before.
IN what way do you think the ACA has failed?
Sorry, but I don't agree.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
millions more insured, but others lost theirs. also, premiums have gone up with costs. now, apologists like to blame this on the insurance companies themselves and not the law, which is a total copout. the bottom line is that the ACA was a bad solution to a bad problem. It was warned against by others NOT republican that other methods should have been pursued first....mainly by limiting the power over the medical field that the health insurance industry had. That was wasted energy because, like republicans, you democrats are also beholden to big business and CEOs....just different fields of it.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and that's how america dies
No, your Oafkeepers nonsense is how America dies.
I am not against other ideas being explored, its not too late to limit the power over the medical field that the health insurance industry has.
Some lost insurance but many more are insured now, more attained insurance than lost it. Premiums are certainty up and so are costs but more is covered and the insurance is better. Medical inflation is slowing. We are better off as a nation since the ACA than before, that does not mean we cant come up with a new even better system. That does not mean we cant make changes.
Since the adoption of the ACA, the Republican party has perused a repeal or nothing approach. So we are at a stalemate, we cant go back, but they wont let us go forward. Eventually the voters will break that log jam.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
seems a bit off topic, but i'll entertain it. tell us how america dies at the hands of civilian militias, militias that helped create America in the first place.
Look at the Oregon militia, need I say more? Lol
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and i still have yet to see a DECENT explanation from any ACA supporter that shows how a new law has a NEGATIVE effect upon millions of middle class families makes us better off. so maybe you can. Tell me how a law that provides a negative effect on millions of middle class families is a good thing.
remains to be seen. it could be a log jam that solidifies fascism, or it could be a log jam that foments civil war.