On the Bright side!

Rana said:
Look at the Oregon militia, need I say more? Lol
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yes, you need to say more. you might think that small group is comical, but they are a small number of the organization up there. what you're not seeing is the thousands who are waiting to see how this is handled.......and their response could be worse than you bargained for.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and i still have yet to see a DECENT explanation from any ACA supporter that shows how a new law has a NEGATIVE effect upon millions of middle class families makes us better off. so maybe you can. Tell me how a law that provides a negative effect on millions of middle class families is a good thing.



remains to be seen. it could be a log jam that solidifies fascism, or it could be a log jam that foments civil war.
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I do not see how it has a NEGATIVE effect on millions of middle class families.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, you need to say more. you might think that small group is comical, but they are a small number of the organization up there. what you're not seeing is the thousands who are waiting to see how this is handled.......and their response could be worse than you bargained for.
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That would be most unfortunate for them to attack our country. I think you underestimate how quickly the majority will turn on their/your cause. Do you plan to join them or are you just all talk?
 
Jarod said:
Not necessarily, but I do agree that there is a continuum between pure Capitalism to Communism, with Socialism somewhere in-between.
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Communism exceeds socialism.......socialists want to take over business......communists want to take over everything......religion, schools, your children, media, your balls..........
 
Jarod said:
but is he the brand of socialist that results in authoritarianism?
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to be honest I haven't bothered to look......all I know is he calls himself a socialist.....if he's stupid enough to do that the only issue is whether 51% of Democrats are stupid enough to vote for him...........
 
Jarod said:
If you look at the bigger picture, requiring people to get health insurance actually results in more freedom, more financial freedom.
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sure.....and requiring people to own guns results in freedom.......requiring them all to buy Coach handbags makes them more free........requiring them to buy Prego spaghetti sauce makes them more free......and GMC cars are more free than Fords.........
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, you need to say more. you might think that small group is comical, but they are a small number of the organization up there. what you're not seeing is the thousands who are waiting to see how this is handled.......and their response could be worse than you bargained for.
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You are itchin' to shoot some feds, aren't you Paul Revere.
 
I Love America said:
Jarod sure can tell a story can't he. These supposed conservatives he knows are a hoot. Like the neighbor he claims is a trump supporter who tried to run him over. That is my favorite.

Not as good as Deshtard spitting in the face of a negro, but good nonetheless.
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Let's not forget his friend who was arrested for "accidently" receiving kiddie porn on his work computer, from E-mails that he had his home computer forward to him at work.

That one and the resulting explanations, were epic.
 
Dear JPP Reader:

As I see it and with reference to the original post, there exists one establishment encompassing the full spectrum of ‘official’ politics, and within which are several factions. As I see it, what political ‘options’ exist represent in-house disagreement within establishment politics. As I see it, any ‘non-establishment’ option is illusory; but as it pleases many politically disaffected to think otherwise, that motif is retained to garner support for a crumbling, political order.

As I see it, the conservative ‘establishment’ is anything but dead, [so much as it is still possible to know what ‘conservative’ {or anything else in this nihilistic environment} means].

Somewhat older than the original poster, I was strongly establishment in the Woodstock generation, strongly supported Vietnam, and churches that preached repression of dissent. Across many years, I moved to the opposite end of the political spectrum. As I see it, Saint John the Theologian’s image of the whore of Babylon [the book of Revelation] is one apt for both the church and the state. As I see it, Trump and Sanders represent a disagreement within establishment circles about HOW to rule while sharing very substantial agreement on those for whom that rule will occur.

As I see it, establishment politics is subject neither to reformation nor redemption. Meaningful political involvement will occur solely outside the political system. So far removed from life was it that by 1789, the government of France was unnecessary. As I see it, similar dynamics work powerfully within nations across Europe and North America.

IMT
 
Jarod said:
I have always really disliked the Establishment.

Correctly or incorrectly, when I became politically aware, at about 12 or 13 years of age Ronald Reagan was the Establishment, from my perspective. I have since considered the Republican or Conservative party as the group propping up and promoting the Establishment.

It was not too long after the Vietnam War and conservatives told me how it was wrong to question authority.
The Churches preached against being rebellious.
Those who protested were liberals, Conservatives were often appalled.
Order and discipline (propping up of the Establishment) were always actively promoted by the Conservatives I knew.
I was told, by conservatives, that the police were always correct...
There was a longing to go back to the 1950's where social order was more structured and set in stone.

Plenty more examples of how it was the Conservatives trying to promote the Establishment and the liberals fighting it back then, at least from my perspective.

I am ready to declare that Conservative "Establishment" dead.

There is a liberal establishment also. I have only begun to see that in the last 10 or 15 years. I don't like it either, and I think the nomination of Sanders will help kill it. I am a liberal because I have always equated anti-establishmentism with liberalism, I see that is not absolutely so.

Anyway, the success of Trump, while deplorable to me due to his xenophobia, racism and authoritarian attitude, has a bright side because, while I personally believe he is the ultimate establishment candidate, his success is due to the fact that his supporters see him as a non-establishment candidate. There is finally a groundswell to end the established order and build a new, more fair, more modern structure by which we should base our culture and society, I can only see that as a good thing.

I hope its someone like Sanders who leads us into the new world. He is clearly more popular than Trump, so maybe it will happen.
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The people who want to go back to the 50s are leftists such as Midcan, who want to hike the top tax rate back up to 90%, and who wants to reinstate the draft.
 
IMT said:
Dear JPP Reader:

As I see it and with reference to the original post, there exists one establishment encompassing the full spectrum of ‘official’ politics, and within which are several factions. As I see it, what political ‘options’ exist represent in-house disagreement within establishment politics. As I see it, any ‘non-establishment’ option is illusory; but as it pleases many politically disaffected to think otherwise, that motif is retained to garner support for a crumbling, political order.

As I see it, the conservative ‘establishment’ is anything but dead, [so much as it is still possible to know what ‘conservative’ {or anything else in this nihilistic environment} means].

Somewhat older than the original poster, I was strongly establishment in the Woodstock generation, strongly supported Vietnam, and churches that preached repression of dissent. Across many years, I moved to the opposite end of the political spectrum. As I see it, Saint John the Theologian’s image of the whore of Babylon [the book of Revelation] is one apt for both the church and the state. As I see it, Trump and Sanders represent a disagreement within establishment circles about HOW to rule while sharing very substantial agreement on those for whom that rule will occur.

As I see it, establishment politics is subject neither to reformation nor redemption. Meaningful political involvement will occur solely outside the political system. So far removed from life was it that by 1789, the government of France was unnecessary. As I see it, similar dynamics work powerfully within nations across Europe and North America.

IMT
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welcome


all this country needs to do is stop the republican party from cheating in elections to seal the power from the people in this democracy.


Democracy WORKS the wealthy often hate it for working.

so they try or BUY and or rape it.


there is a massive court history that proves the republican party is a traitorous party that cheats our system to cheat voters out of their rights so the republican party can steal the power.


the Democratic party is the only path to a clean government at his point.



we destroy the cheating republican party we destroy their power.


THEN they will work to buy the Democratic party


our reaction to that will be the telling point.


we then have to fight them from the first second they try.

being willing to kill the democratic party with a new partys power if we have to.



Americans need to stop being party loyal and be solidly FACT and Idea loyal
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
That's a pretty strong statement. At minimum, it will be the end of the racialist crap we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Maybe the cities will calm down a bit.

I also suspect Trump is a political pragmatist as opposed to an ideologue: which translates into someone who will work with the otherside in Congress. Granted, people will be pleased and pissed in equal measure, depending on what gets passed. But that's way better than what we have.

And the entertainment factor would be off the charts lol.
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We've had racism (not "racialist crap") in this country since its inception and it's not going to change once Obama leaves office.
 
I'd love to see financing rules changed to limit the influence of parties on elections.
 
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