Obama Has Lost Chris Matthews. Hope and Change is Officially Over

apple0154 said:
Because some folks gambled the money away and the taxpayer got stuck with the bill. However, some of the money that was reimbursed for bad gambling debts was given to people who are still in the country meaning that money is still here. And then there's the wars. So, bring the troops home and tax the folks who received the money. That will make a nice dent in the debt.

Then make sure social programs for the citizens are placed on the priority list. Either change the bank/investment rules or inform them there will never be another reimbursement. Then, in case another Rumsfeld enters politics and gets the idea there's plenty of money to cover the option of war he'll be reminded social programs come first. The citizens come first. Novel idea, huh?
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Shall we just completely do away with our military? That would save a lot of money.
 
Alias said:
Oh, I see...."faulty intelligence". So the nation that elected Obama President will next year remove him from office and it's because of "faulty intelligence". Interesting.

So when people vote lefty they are smart and when they vote righty they do so because of "faulty intelligence". You can't argue with logic like that. I can tell you're really really smart. I bet you've been to college.
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The evidence is there for both the Iraq war and government medical. The Iraq war is obvious. The benefits/results of government medical can be viewed by doing a few simple searches. While isolated incidences concerning government medical make great headlines there is not one country that has reverted to the old "pay or suffer" system. Furthermore, there is not even one politician of any prominence, in any of the dozens of countries that have government medical, campaigning on eliminating it.

As for those on the right who do know the facts their objection is to everyone having medical, not that government medical is inferior. Simply put, in order for them to make money off the ill they lie about government medical.

As for Obama being removed the worse the economy gets the more people will realize their medical coverage is in jeopardy due to job loss and the inability to maintain payments resulting in ObamaCare looking better every day. Then there's the high unemployment rate among young adults who are currently eligible for coverage under their parent's policy.

To quote the Desiderata, "And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should." :D
 
poet said:
Well, you would know.
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Actually, YOU would know. You made sure we all knew when you first came here. When you walk into a restaurant do you tell the waitress that you're a gay Black man or do you act out to make sure everyone knows it?
 
Alias said:
Actually, YOU would know. You made sure we all knew when you first came here. When you walk into a restaurant do you tell the waitress that you're a gay Black man or do you act out to make sure everyone knows it?
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Anyone with the most rudimentary gaydar can tell in a half-second. :D
 
Alias said:
Shall we just completely do away with our military? That would save a lot of money.
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What would save a lot of money is do away with foreign excursions, the need which is trumped up on manipulated evidence, along with the idea of spreading democracy which does nothing but lead to wars and terrorism.

I've given the following example before but I'll offer it again. The west enters Muslim countries and tries to change their way of life and religion which is one and the same. For example, doing away with women having to wear the hijab. Why should women have to cover their head? They deserve to be "free".

Now let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's suppose the US was occupied by a country that tolerates women going topless. For example, the women in southern France. Let's suppose the occupiers told you your teenage daughter could go topless if she wanted and if local government officials tried to stop her they would be arrested just as happens in Muslin countries that are occupied regarding young girls attending school. There were incidents showing western troops protecting girls going to school preventing local authorities from upholding their legal and religious obligations.

How would people react here? Wouldn't terrorists.....oops, patriots....be fighting back any way they could? Wouldn't you fight back any way you could? And if you knew the occupiers were sanctioned by a government duly elected by the citizens of a certain country wouldn't attacks on that country, those citizens, be justified? After all, the citizens voted for that government and are supporting the military financially by voluntarily paying taxes.

Now do you see the problem? And all the while western countries involve themselves in such actions they whine and cry about having no money for medical care and homes and basic necessities for their own citizens.

Pardon the language but it seems pretty fucked up to me.
 
apple0154 said:
What would save a lot of money is do away with foreign excursions, the need which is trumped up on manipulated evidence, along with the idea of spreading democracy which does nothing but lead to wars and terrorism.

I've given the following example before but I'll offer it again. The west enters Muslim countries and tries to change their way of life and religion which is one and the same. For example, doing away with women having to wear the hijab. Why should women have to cover their head? They deserve to be "free".

Now let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's suppose the US was occupied by a country that tolerates women going topless. For example, the women in southern France. Let's suppose the occupiers told you your teenage daughter could go topless if she wanted and if local government officials tried to stop her they would be arrested just as happens in Muslin countries that are occupied regarding young girls attending school. There were incidents showing western troops protecting girls going to school preventing local authorities from upholding their legal and religious obligations.

How would people react here? Wouldn't terrorists.....oops, patriots....be fighting back any way they could? Wouldn't you fight back any way you could? And if you knew the occupiers were sanctioned by a government duly elected by the citizens of a certain country wouldn't attacks on that country, those citizens, be justified? After all, the citizens voted for that government and are supporting the military financially by voluntarily paying taxes.

Now do you see the problem? And all the while western countries involve themselves in such actions they whine and cry about having no money for medical care and homes and basic necessities for their own citizens.

Pardon the language but it seems pretty fucked up to me.
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So is Obama a war criminal for bombing a muslim nation that was no threat to us?
 
DamnYankee said:
Anyone with the most rudimentary gaydar can tell in a half-second. :D
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Uh, how would you know? Have you witnessed it? You don't know me. But you pretend to.
And newsflash. Straight men, don't have gaydar. Gaydar is what "gays employ" to detect men that are otherwise "undetectable". Gaydar isn't needed for the obvious. LOL
So you possessing "rudimentary gaydar" automatically implies that you are a gay man. And why would you be trying to detect anything anyway? A secret rendezvous? See what you get for talking about what you don't know about? Foot in mouth.
 
poet said:
Uh, how would you know? Have you witnessed it? You don't know me. But you pretend to.
And newsflash. Straight men, don't have gaydar. Gaydar is what "gays employ" to detect men that are otherwise "undetectable". Gaydar isn't needed for the obvious. LOL
So you possessing "rudimentary gaydar" automatically implies that you are a gay man. And why would you be trying to detect anything anyway? A secret rendezvous? See what you get for talking about what you don't know about? Foot in mouth.
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POET AT WORK
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DamnYankee said:
By the way, Poet, according to the urban dictionary, "gaydar" can be processed by normal people, not just by queers.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gaydar

And Merriam Webster says the same thing. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaydar

You lose again. :)
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Great. Now you're going to tell a gay man, the correct usage of gay term, which originated in the gay community. And for your next trick, why don't you pull an intelligent Republican out of your hat? LOL
Stupid. Where do you suppose UrbanDictionary and Webster's got the term to define, in the first place?

"Normal people"? Are you attempting to suggest, yet again, that gay people are something other than normal? Got any documentation supporting that view?
I thought not.
 
poet said:
Great. Now you're going to tell a gay man, the correct usage of gay term, which originated in the gay community. And for your next trick, why don't you pull an intelligent Republican out of your hat? LOL
Stupid. Where do you suppose UrbanDictionary and Webster's got the term to define, in the first place?

"Normal people"? Are you attempting to suggest, yet again, that gay people are something other than normal? Got any documentation supporting that view?
I thought not.
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Normal people don't stick their dicks up each other's asshole. Duh!!
 
poet said:
Great. Now you're going to tell a gay man, the correct usage of gay term, which originated in the gay community. And for your next trick, why don't you pull an intelligent Republican out of your hat? LOL
Stupid. Where do you suppose UrbanDictionary and Webster's got the term to define, in the first place?

"Normal people"? Are you attempting to suggest, yet again, that gay people are something other than normal? Got any documentation supporting that view?
I thought not.
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With regards to the term origination, got any documentation supporting that view?
I thought not.

Besides, where it originated has no bearing on the issue being debated.
 
Onceler said:
It's so cute how much bravs & PMP stick up for each other. Bravs actually admitted to me last week that he desperately needs others to jump to his defense; it was kinda embarassing, to tell the truth...
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You don't screw around do ya......just outright and outragious lies straight out and up front, with no spin.....thats balls.....

(but I do appreciate support when I get it.... :thup:....)........:lmao:
 
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