Obama Has Lost Chris Matthews. Hope and Change is Officially Over
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There are a couple of good Matthews videos on that site....its a shame the pinheads
won't even listen to their "pinhead in chief" when he says what we all see about Obama....
He clueless, he has no vision, he has no plan for the US other than to bankrupt it and
share in the poverty.
won't even listen to their "pinhead in chief" when he says what we all see about Obama....
He clueless, he has no vision, he has no plan for the US other than to bankrupt it and
share in the poverty.
poet
Banned
Groan.
apple0154
MEOW
That was quite a rant from Matthews. Nothing to root for?? Does he think he's at a ball game or does he like the excitement of nuclear threats and how they'll blow up foreign countries?
Social security, long term debt, reform health care....has Matthews been under a rock the last two years? What does he think all the clamor is about ObamaCare? Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations! Rather than grandstand about plans that will never see the light of day Obama focuses on one thing and gets it done.
Matthews talks about meetings and White House dinners till midnight and wonders why Obama is not doing that. Then he answers his own question. "He doesn't like their company." Can we blame Obama?
There's a wise saying and that is the boss shouldn't become too "familiar" with the staff.
Social security, long term debt, reform health care....has Matthews been under a rock the last two years? What does he think all the clamor is about ObamaCare? Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations! Rather than grandstand about plans that will never see the light of day Obama focuses on one thing and gets it done.
Matthews talks about meetings and White House dinners till midnight and wonders why Obama is not doing that. Then he answers his own question. "He doesn't like their company." Can we blame Obama?
There's a wise saying and that is the boss shouldn't become too "familiar" with the staff.
Alias
Banned
That was quite a rant from Matthews. Nothing to root for?? Does he think he's at a ball game or does he like the excitement of nuclear threats and how they'll blow up foreign countries?
Social security, long term debt, reform health care....has Matthews been under a rock the last two years? What does he think all the clamor is about ObamaCare? Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations! Rather than grandstand about plans that will never see the light of day Obama focuses on one thing and gets it done.
Matthews talks about meetings and White House dinners till midnight and wonders why Obama is not doing that. Then he answers his own question. "He doesn't like their company." Can we blame Obama?
There's a wise saying and that is the boss shouldn't become too "familiar" with the staff.
Here are a couple more who are jumping ship. It's sad that hope and change are over.
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-pre...a-should-abandon-run-for-second-term-20111120
At least it looks like
apple won't jump ship.......hes a typical Jonestown resident, with cup in hand................
And this line was really good :
"Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations!"
How many other presidents, does he think, have been trying to turn the US into a Socialist or semi-Communist country ?
Talk about living under a rock....for the past 200+ years......
apple won't jump ship.......hes a typical Jonestown resident, with cup in hand................
And this line was really good :
"Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations!"
How many other presidents, does he think, have been trying to turn the US into a Socialist or semi-Communist country ?
Talk about living under a rock....for the past 200+ years......
SmarterthanYou
rebel
i guess matthews doesnt get the tingly feeling in his leg anymore
apple0154
MEOW
Oh, my silly, under-rock dwelling, internet friend. My statement was, "Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations!" It is you who has been under a rock for 200+ years. 213 years, to be exact.
(Excerpt) The first federal involvement in health care was in 1798, when the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seaman Act was passed.(End) Let's double check those numbers. 2011 - 1798 = 213. Yep, 213 years. Hmmm.
Let's continue, shall we. (Excerpt) THEODORE ROOSEVELT: Roosevelt aligns with the Progressive movement in the first attempt to pass a universal health care bill in 1912.
CALVIN COOLIDGE: The Committee on the Cost of Medical Care was established in 1927 to investigate America's health care system. The committee recommended that private insurance or taxes support health care. (End) Taxes to support health care! Who would have thought!
Oh, well. Let's continue. (Excerpt) FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT: He campaigned on a health care platform that called for aggressive action and change to the system. The Social Security Act was passed in 1935, providing safety for the sick, older citizens and disabled.
HARRY S. TRUMAN: In an attempt to enact compulsory health insurance, Truman endorsed the Murray-Wagner-Dingell bill in 1945. The bill failed in Congress, but in lieu of legislation, Truman developed a plan to provide 60 days of free hospital care for Social Security recipients. This later became a central component of Medicare and Medicaid.
JOHN F. KENNEDY: His platform endorsed medical care benefits, but before his proposal was seriously considered by Congress, he was assassinated.
LYNDON B. JOHNSON: Johnson continued to push health care as a priority. In 1965, Medicare and Medicaid became law to provide coverage for the elderly, federal grants to states for medical coverage and nursing home services for the poor.
RICHARD M. NIXON: He was responsible for signing the Health Maintenance Organization Act in 1973. The law allocated $375 million for grants and loans to fund and expand health organizations.
JIMMY CARTER: Carter’s election in 1976 reopened the issue of health care reform. The administration developed the Health Security Plan, which would have required employers to offer health insurance and expanded Medicare and Medicaid coverage. A recession during Carter’s presidency killed the plan.
RONALD REAGAN: He signed COBRA — the Consolidated Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1985 — into law. It mandates an insurance program giving some employees the ability to continue health insurance coverage from the workplace after leaving the job.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH: He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act, which provides a broad range of protections for people with disabilities. (1990)
BILL CLINTON: During the early 1990s, thousands of middle-class Americans lost their jobs and thus insurance coverage, forcing the Clinton administration to consider health care reform. Clinton offered a plan for universal coverage with managed insurance competition, but opposition from insurance companies killed the bill. (End)
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/s...e-health-care-reform-throughout-20th-century/
So, let's take a quick review of the Presidents who tried to change the medical injustice in the country and the corresponding dates, shall we.
JOHN ADAMS – 1798
THEODORE ROOSEVELT – 1912
CALVIN COOLIDGE – 1929
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT – 1935
HARRY S. TRUMAN -1945
JOHN F. KENNEDY – assassinated
LYNDON B. JOHNSON – 1965
RICHARD M. NIXON – 1973
JIMMY CARTER – 1976
RONALD REAGAN -1985
GEORGE H.W. BUSH - 1990
BILL CLINTON – 1990s
And then... drum roll.....BARACK OBAMA: (March 21, 2010) On Sunday, Congress passed health care legislation, guaranteeing universal coverage for all participants. Estimated to cost $940 billion over 10 years, the plan would be fully implemented by 2014.
Wow! Over 200 years. That's a lot of generations and Presidents trying to implement medical care. 213 years! And Obama succeeded. That's quite an accomplishment for Obama and quite a long time for you to be under that rock.
Welcome to the real world. And don't forget your sun screen.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Apple, stop being such a fag.
Alias
Banned
Oh, my silly, under-rock dwelling, internet friend. My statement was, "Obama accomplished what Presidents have been trying to do for generations!" It is you who has been under a rock for 200+ years. 213 years, to be exact.
(Excerpt) The first federal involvement in health care was in 1798, when the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seaman Act was passed.(End) Let's double check those numbers. 2011 - 1798 = 213. Yep, 213 years. Hmmm.
Let's continue, shall we. (Excerpt) THEODORE ROOSEVELT: Roosevelt aligns with the Progressive movement in the first attempt to pass a universal health care bill in 1912.
CALVIN COOLIDGE: The Committee on the Cost of Medical Care was established in 1927 to investigate America's health care system. The committee recommended that private insurance or taxes support health care. (End) Taxes to support health care! Who would have thought!
Oh, well. Let's continue. (Excerpt) FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT: He campaigned on a health care platform that called for aggressive action and change to the system. The Social Security Act was passed in 1935, providing safety for the sick, older citizens and disabled.
HARRY S. TRUMAN: In an attempt to enact compulsory health insurance, Truman endorsed the Murray-Wagner-Dingell bill in 1945. The bill failed in Congress, but in lieu of legislation, Truman developed a plan to provide 60 days of free hospital care for Social Security recipients. This later became a central component of Medicare and Medicaid.
JOHN F. KENNEDY: His platform endorsed medical care benefits, but before his proposal was seriously considered by Congress, he was assassinated.
LYNDON B. JOHNSON: Johnson continued to push health care as a priority. In 1965, Medicare and Medicaid became law to provide coverage for the elderly, federal grants to states for medical coverage and nursing home services for the poor.
RICHARD M. NIXON: He was responsible for signing the Health Maintenance Organization Act in 1973. The law allocated $375 million for grants and loans to fund and expand health organizations.
JIMMY CARTER: Carter’s election in 1976 reopened the issue of health care reform. The administration developed the Health Security Plan, which would have required employers to offer health insurance and expanded Medicare and Medicaid coverage. A recession during Carter’s presidency killed the plan.
RONALD REAGAN: He signed COBRA — the Consolidated Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1985 — into law. It mandates an insurance program giving some employees the ability to continue health insurance coverage from the workplace after leaving the job.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH: He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act, which provides a broad range of protections for people with disabilities. (1990)
BILL CLINTON: During the early 1990s, thousands of middle-class Americans lost their jobs and thus insurance coverage, forcing the Clinton administration to consider health care reform. Clinton offered a plan for universal coverage with managed insurance competition, but opposition from insurance companies killed the bill. (End)
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/s...e-health-care-reform-throughout-20th-century/
So, let's take a quick review of the Presidents who tried to change the medical injustice in the country and the corresponding dates, shall we.
JOHN ADAMS – 1798
THEODORE ROOSEVELT – 1912
CALVIN COOLIDGE – 1929
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT – 1935
HARRY S. TRUMAN -1945
JOHN F. KENNEDY – assassinated
LYNDON B. JOHNSON – 1965
RICHARD M. NIXON – 1973
JIMMY CARTER – 1976
RONALD REAGAN -1985
GEORGE H.W. BUSH - 1990
BILL CLINTON – 1990s
And then... drum roll.....BARACK OBAMA: (March 21, 2010) On Sunday, Congress passed health care legislation, guaranteeing universal coverage for all participants. Estimated to cost $940 billion over 10 years, the plan would be fully implemented by 2014.
Wow! Over 200 years. That's a lot of generations and Presidents trying to implement medical care. 213 years! And Obama succeeded. That's quite an accomplishment for Obama and quite a long time for you to be under that rock.
Welcome to the real world. And don't forget your sun screen.
There is just one little problem. Most of the American people do not like this Health Care Bill. It needs to be taken down and rebuilt in a bipartisan manner like the President promised.
:lol:
Yes, liberals won the presidency, the house and senate, and as soon as the democrats passed Obamacare, they were tossed out out of Congress.
If it was such a great bill, why did he not implement ASAP and have it not available until after the 2012 elections? Because he and the demorats knew that would be the end of der leader.
poet
Banned
Watch as Obama is re-elected, the majority in the Senate is retained and the Dems win back control of the House, come 2012. You think you're happy now? LOL.
You'll be singing negro spirituals.
Alias
Banned
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
Except the thing is, what was passed doesn't do what you claim. There are roughly 50 million Americans still without health care coverage. The cost of the plan uses money designated for an already in trouble Medicare program. It has actually INCREASED the cost of health care insurance across the board. As it is being implemented, there is less availability of health care. So in the end, what was achieved... Busted Medicare completely... raised the cost of health care and health care insurance... made health care less available... and still didn't universally cover everyone. Yep... it took 213 years for a president to pass a turd this big!
apple0154
MEOW
(Excerpt) “He should abandon his candidacy for re-election in favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of saving the Democratic Party, but more important, of governing effectively and in a way that preserves the most important of the president's accomplishments." (End)
No, he shouldn't. He should stay on and witness the health care reform package come into full operation.
(Excerpt) “One year ago in these pages, we warned that if President Obama continued down his overly partisan road, the nation would be ‘guaranteed two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it." (End)
Should Obama get a majority and with no concerns about re-election Caddell and Schoen will see the partisan road turn into a partisan inter-state.
As people become aware that the current and future situation regarding the economy and jobs is due to globalization and automation and not just domestic policy they'll realize the only "guarantee" they have is government. With fewer and fewer employers offering medical coverage coupled with little, if any, job security and high unemployment social programs will play a more prominent roll. It's fine to be self-reliant and self-assured in a bustling economy but bustling doesn't describe today's reality. Not just here but around the world.
I recall someone saying the current situation will correct itself in a few years and all will be fine. The problem is people can't wait a few years to eat or get medical attention, if ill. The poor economy can work to Obama's benefit if presented in the light of reality. The question is does anyone believe things will turn around before they require medical care? Will the economy recover quickly enough and in such a short time that people will have jobs and money to pay mortgages and education for their children?
Points to ponder at the voting booth.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the thrill down his leg finally hit the floor?.......
apple0154
MEOW
Bipartisan? You mean in a manner where the greedy still have a chance to line their pockets and the ill still suffer? The only bipartisan participation necessary is how to implement universal coverage, not whether it should be implemented. That was the problem from day one.
It's like a family sitting down and discusisng where to go on vacation. If one member does not want to go on any vacation what will their input? They will have negative remarks to make no matter what is suggested so they may as well not participate in the discussion.
apple0154
MEOW
No, there was such resistance the date had to be put off until later. Also, it takes time to implement such a plan.
apple0154
MEOW
What you're unable to grasp is proper universal coverage will result in Medicare and Medicaid being redundant. A program for retirees. A program for poor people. Here a program, there a program. Those things raise unnecessary costs. One program for everyone. Simple. Sleek. Fair. And 1/3 more economical.
Obama will have another four years to fine tune the program. The conversation will change from "private or government" to the best way for government to implement the program.
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
What you are unable to grasp is, there is no such thing as "free medical care" anywhere in the world, or reality in which we live. At some level, someone pays for it, whether the consumer, the taxpayer, or both. Obamacare did nothing to address the cost of health care, it simply shifted the burden for paying for it, away from the consumer and to the government (or taxpayer.) The government, in turn, mandated employers carry some of the burden, which is primarily responsible for the ZERO JOB GROWTH we currently have. In the process of involving governmental bureaucracy, you have dramatically decreased cost-effectiveness, and made the actual health care cost much more per person. With the mandates, hundreds of clinics and doctor's offices will be closed, no longer available to the people... you've dramatically decreased the availability of health care across the board. Not only did Obamacare fail to address the problems driving up health care costs, they implemented more governmental requirements to be met, which will exacerbate the problems, which still remain.
Nothing about this pile of government shit is "sleek" or "fair" and it certainly isn't MORE economical.