BattleofHodow
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So Jesus spoke Yiddish & rejected himself?
No Christmas For Ivanka.
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So Jesus spoke Yiddish & rejected himself?
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
Since you're a RWer, it's almost obligatory, no? lol
the Tao instructs for love to exist , there must also be hate (yin/yang)..
as to spreading it - it doesn't seem to be part of the pathless path
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Trumpian RWers specialize in demonizing others and, yes, it's obligatory to spread hate for them as their master dictates.
It happened in a hotel that a salesman came. The manager said 'It will be difficult for me to find a room for you though there is a room vacant, which I cannot give.'
The salesman said 'But what is the reason? Why can't you give it if the room is empty?'
The hotel manager said 'A great politician is staying just beneath that room. A room is vacant on the first floor, but on the ground floor beneath the room a great political leader is staying. And he gets mad at small things. If you walk in your room or if you make some noise, then he will create much fuss and I don't want any trouble. Please go to another hotel.
'But' the salesman said 'I have looked all around. All the hotels are booked. So please, have mercy on me, and I promise you that I will not even move in the room. The whole day I will be working in the town and at night I will simply come and go to sleep. By the morning I will be gone, gone to another town, but give me the room.' So the room was given.
In the middle of the night, the salesman came back, tired, sat on his bed, took off one of his shoes and dropped it on the floor. Then he suddenly remembered that the great political leader might get disturbed, so he took off the second shoe very silently and without making any sound he put it on the floor and went to sleep.
After one hour, the great politician came and knocked on his door. He opened the door and saw the politician mad, red with anger, and he could not understand 'What could I have done? - because I have been asleep for one hour!' And he said 'Sir, have I done anything wrong? Maybe in my dream...? Or maybe I have made some sound or said something? But I am sorry, I didn't mean it.'
The politician said 'That is not the thing. What happened to the other shoe? For one hour you have been keeping me awake. I heard the noise - the first shoe fell on the floor and I said "So this man has come!" And then I was waiting for the second! And then, by and by, I became almost mad. I couldn't sleep. What happened to the second shoe?'
That happens to a mind which remains in an inconclusive state: something goes on hanging, like a sword. You can understand the difficulty of the politician. He must have tried to go to sleep but he must have been visualising the second shoe hanging in the air. 'What happened?'
Mind is at rest only when there is conclusion, otherwise never. And philosophy never leads to any conclusion. Only reality is conclusive; only experience, only EXISTENCE, IS conclusive.
TZU KUNG GREW WEARY OF STUDY AND TOLD CONFUCIUS 'I WANT TO FIND REST.'
'THERE IS NO REST FOR THE LIVING' said Confucius.
http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Artic...sho-Tao-The-Pathless-Path-Vol-1-00000007.html
The salesman said 'But what is the reason? Why can't you give it if the room is empty?'
The hotel manager said 'A great politician is staying just beneath that room. A room is vacant on the first floor, but on the ground floor beneath the room a great political leader is staying. And he gets mad at small things. If you walk in your room or if you make some noise, then he will create much fuss and I don't want any trouble. Please go to another hotel.
'But' the salesman said 'I have looked all around. All the hotels are booked. So please, have mercy on me, and I promise you that I will not even move in the room. The whole day I will be working in the town and at night I will simply come and go to sleep. By the morning I will be gone, gone to another town, but give me the room.' So the room was given.
In the middle of the night, the salesman came back, tired, sat on his bed, took off one of his shoes and dropped it on the floor. Then he suddenly remembered that the great political leader might get disturbed, so he took off the second shoe very silently and without making any sound he put it on the floor and went to sleep.
After one hour, the great politician came and knocked on his door. He opened the door and saw the politician mad, red with anger, and he could not understand 'What could I have done? - because I have been asleep for one hour!' And he said 'Sir, have I done anything wrong? Maybe in my dream...? Or maybe I have made some sound or said something? But I am sorry, I didn't mean it.'
The politician said 'That is not the thing. What happened to the other shoe? For one hour you have been keeping me awake. I heard the noise - the first shoe fell on the floor and I said "So this man has come!" And then I was waiting for the second! And then, by and by, I became almost mad. I couldn't sleep. What happened to the second shoe?'
That happens to a mind which remains in an inconclusive state: something goes on hanging, like a sword. You can understand the difficulty of the politician. He must have tried to go to sleep but he must have been visualising the second shoe hanging in the air. 'What happened?'
Mind is at rest only when there is conclusion, otherwise never. And philosophy never leads to any conclusion. Only reality is conclusive; only experience, only EXISTENCE, IS conclusive.
TZU KUNG GREW WEARY OF STUDY AND TOLD CONFUCIUS 'I WANT TO FIND REST.'
'THERE IS NO REST FOR THE LIVING' said Confucius.
http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Artic...sho-Tao-The-Pathless-Path-Vol-1-00000007.html
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Merry Ho Ho cawacko, (if it applies,)
Atheists have not committed to follow any specific religion. That leaves them free to partake in or not of any celebrations they wish. And certainly much of the American Christmas holiday, including many of the traditions, have nothing to do with religion.
An individual who has made a commitment to a specific religion, on the other hand, is certainly free as well to celebrate another religion if that's what they wish to do, especially if it is for the sake of someone else, but it is a bit incongruous to make a public commitment to one religion and still celebrate another for one's own sake.
Atheists have not committed to follow any specific religion. That leaves them free to partake in or not of any celebrations they wish. And certainly much of the American Christmas holiday, including many of the traditions, have nothing to do with religion.
An individual who has made a commitment to a specific religion, on the other hand, is certainly free as well to celebrate another religion if that's what they wish to do, especially if it is for the sake of someone else, but it is a bit incongruous to make a public commitment to one religion and still celebrate another for one's own sake.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
We see a lotta that. Like the many Christian 'churches' that worship money, and the 'evangelicals' who are multi-millionaires from all the 'giving to the Lord's work.' What total scams.
Which is why, IMO, any "Christians" spreading such hate are not living up to their own religious principles. They are using religion as a mask, a disguise, to spread purely human hatred. They are Christian in name only.
We see a lotta that. Like the many Christian 'churches' that worship money, and the 'evangelicals' who are multi-millionaires from all the 'giving to the Lord's work.' What total scams.
Illogical indeed.
Early Christians over time began to absolve the Roman authorities of responsibility for Jesus' execution.
The earliest Christian writers, like Mark, testify that Pontius Pilate ordered the execution of Jesus, and while some corrupt Jewish leaders were complicit, there was no overt attempt to place collective blame on the Jewish people. Mark is probably the most accurate testimony on that account, since it passes the test of historical contextual credibility..
Later Christian writers, aka Mathew and John, attempt to absolve the Roman authorities for Jesus' execution, and divert collective blame to the Jewish people at large.
One scholarly theory is that since 1st and 2nd century Christianity was a small and persecuted cult in the Roman Empire, they realized they could get in a lot of trouble for blaming Roman authorities for the death of their messiah. So the later Christian writers increasingly sought to modify the story of the crucifixion to absolve Pontius Pilate and the Romans of any culpability
cawacko
Well-known member
Maybe I haven’t been paying attention or don’t know my religious history well enough, is there a movement among Jews to now celebrate Christmas (and thus it needs to be stopped)? Is my Jewish buddy out of line for having given a couple of gifts to his kids on Christmas morning?
I’m trying to understand the need to state ‘no Christmas for Jews’.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
. Thanks. You singled out Christians so I'm guessing they need permission. That's a relief.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
the Tao instructs for love to exist , there must also be hate (yin/yang)..
as to spreading it - it doesn't seem to be part of the pathless path
Just messing with Dutch a little.
LOL as much as I'd like to bag on Christmas I don't have the heart. Today at least. I'm all in tomorrow.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
Yeah, I think you're reading things into this which have not been said.
It's not like all those who publicly profess to be members of a religion are super-religious. Like so many other religions, some attend regular services, others just do their own thing. And certainly, some of the ones who feel this big need to attend are actually some of the same ones who are really just fooling themselves and do not actually practice what they preach. Just look at Trump, who has no record of regular attendance at the church he took the photo op at while holding an upside-down Bible, after clearing away peaceful protestors with gas. And guess what. It was Ivanka's idea.
Yeah, I think you're reading things into this which have not been said.
It's not like all those who publicly profess to be members of a religion are super-religious. Like so many other religions, some attend regular services, others just do their own thing. And certainly, some of the ones who feel this big need to attend are actually some of the same ones who are really just fooling themselves and do not actually practice what they preach. Just look at Trump, who has no record of regular attendance at the church he took the photo op at while holding an upside-down Bible, after clearing away peaceful protestors with gas. And guess what. It was Ivanka's idea.
cawacko
Well-known member
I’ll bow out because I’m not following. It looks to me like you’re trying to dictate what Jews can do on Christmas morning. And you won’t answer if my Jewish buddy is in violation of how you feel he should act.
As far as being anti-Jew to be anti-Trump that’s your own deal.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko.
Well, there's more of why I think you're reading things into the conversation which have not been said.
Here's where I'm at:
1. People can do what they want. Religious freedom includes the right to practice, switch, or reject religions at will.
2. If they publicly commit to a religion and then practice another that is certainly incongruous.
3. If you have a Jewish friend who likes to do the Christmas thing because they are in a family of mixed religions, I have no problem with that.
4. It is no secret that the overtly religious of many religions, actually, require that any marriage performed by church officials be between two active members in that same religion; meaning that one participant in the wedding might have to convert to that religion if the couple is not originally of the same religion. Later on, if there is a divorce, it's fine to switch back, too. And switch again for a subsequent marriage into yet another religion. That is all up to the individuals. Free country. If done as a public figure, that leaves it up to public scrutiny and criticism.
5. Yes, I most definitely disapprove of Trump and the way he has absolutely disgraced the office he currently holds but will soon be departing. I look forward to his departure from the bully pulpit.
Well, there's more of why I think you're reading things into the conversation which have not been said.
Here's where I'm at:
1. People can do what they want. Religious freedom includes the right to practice, switch, or reject religions at will.
2. If they publicly commit to a religion and then practice another that is certainly incongruous.
3. If you have a Jewish friend who likes to do the Christmas thing because they are in a family of mixed religions, I have no problem with that.
4. It is no secret that the overtly religious of many religions, actually, require that any marriage performed by church officials be between two active members in that same religion; meaning that one participant in the wedding might have to convert to that religion if the couple is not originally of the same religion. Later on, if there is a divorce, it's fine to switch back, too. And switch again for a subsequent marriage into yet another religion. That is all up to the individuals. Free country. If done as a public figure, that leaves it up to public scrutiny and criticism.
5. Yes, I most definitely disapprove of Trump and the way he has absolutely disgraced the office he currently holds but will soon be departing. I look forward to his departure from the bully pulpit.
BattleofHodow
New member
The main 2 generic ancestors of Ashkenazis are Ancient Hebrews who rejected Christ like Judas Iscariot & Roman Italians who rejected Christ like Pontius Pilate.
cawacko
Well-known member
My friend is Jewish and his wife is Jewish. They don’t put up a Christmas tree but give their kids a couple of presents on Christmas morning. Is that allowed? Is he being incongruous? Should I call him out?
even worse is one of my co-workers is Jewish..she sends me Christmas cards . She cooks a Christmas dinner
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Shit happens. Funny how the Greeks invented Democracy but it took rebellious Americans to kick out their king and forge the world's greatest democracy.