NIMBY Fracking!

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Spoken like a true short sighted, greedy little neocon/teabagger asshole.

Environment and everyone else be damned for your profit, ehh bunky? You can't handle the truth, like your buddies

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...04#post1466204

Yeah, think your money will buy you clean water and fresh air forever? Dope.


Well first of all it wasn't me. It was a relative. But yeah, fuck you. Their money can buy all the fresh water they want.

Now frack off

I stand corrected as to who is profiting from this. So all that's changed in my previous reply is that it's your relatives it should address, not you. The FACTS and the conclusions based on those facts and YOUR assertions stand.

Funny, but your avatar name is very apt regarding this discussion.

Frack your own ass and backyard, buddy...leave the rest of us out of it.
 
I stand corrected as to who is profiting from this. So all that's changed in my previous reply is that it's your relatives it should address, not you. The FACTS and the conclusions based on those facts and YOUR assertions stand.

Funny, but your avatar name is very apt regarding this discussion.

Frack your own ass and backyard, buddy...leave the rest of us out of it.

We are leaving you out if it. They are living large AND paying taxes. The great thing is they were dirt poor before they leased this land now they are swimming in it. I say GOD BLESS THEM.

fueling our energy independence and growing the economy. Win win

That you are pissed about it is just a bonus.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I stand corrected as to who is profiting from this. So all that's changed in my previous reply is that it's your relatives it should address, not you. The FACTS and the conclusions based on those facts and YOUR assertions stand.

Funny, but your avatar name is very apt regarding this discussion.

Frack your own ass and backyard, buddy...leave the rest of us out of it.

We are leaving you out if it. They are living large AND paying taxes. The great thing is they were dirt poor before they leased this land now they are swimming in it. I say GOD BLESS THEM.

fueling our energy independence and growing the economy. Win win

That you are pissed about it is just a bonus.

Man, you have GOT to either get the crack out of the pipe or your head out of Limbaugh's ass and Fox News. Here's an example of what fracking is doing to everyone:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/01/how-oklahomas-largest-newspaper-distorts-the-fa/184493

I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from this, instead of just whining like a neocon/teabagger bitch that you don't like Media Matters.

Bottom line: your relatives are greedy, stupid little cretins like you...who think that their momentary little profit will ensure clean water and air for them. Good luck with that.
 
Man, you have GOT to either get the crack out of the pipe or your head out of Limbaugh's ass and Fox News. Here's an example of what fracking is doing to everyone:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/01/how-oklahomas-largest-newspaper-distorts-the-fa/184493

I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from this, instead of just whining like a neocon/teabagger bitch that you don't like Media Matters.

Bottom line: your relatives are greedy, stupid little cretins like you...who think that their momentary little profit will ensure clean water and air for them. Good luck with that.

What part of I don't care don't you get? I am thrilled for my relative and you are just jealous. He is having us over to show off his new house paid for by his natural gas windfall.

Like I said, that it burns your ass is just lagniappe.
 
Just like every lost pet is due to global warming!
Any pollution is now due to fracking!
So it is said,
Church of Al Bore
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Man, you have GOT to either get the crack out of the pipe or your head out of Limbaugh's ass and Fox News. Here's an example of what fracking is doing to everyone:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-the-fa/184493

I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from this, instead of just whining like a neocon/teabagger bitch that you don't like Media Matters.

Bottom line: your relatives are greedy, stupid little cretins like you...who think that their momentary little profit will ensure clean water and air for them. Good luck with that.


What part of I don't care don't you get? I am thrilled for my relative and you are just jealous. He is having us over to show off his new house paid for by his natural gas windfall.

Like I said, that it burns your ass is just lagniappe.

See folks, when faced with facts they don't like, intellectually impotent neocon/teabagger buffoons like Teflon Don essentially AVOID the information and just parrot their BS.

Somebody should tell this fool that if he didn't care, he wouldn't bother responding or posting at all. Clearly, the Teflon Don just isn't that bright, and my assessment of him and his relatives on this issue stands via his own testimony and actions chronicled on this thread.

I'm done with this fool, and leave him to flail and fume his predictable silly retorts.
 
Just like every lost pet is due to global warming!
Any pollution is now due to tracking!
So it is said,
Church of Al Bore

Obviously, you didn't read or comprehend the information provided. Either that or you're just willfully ignorant of the all information available on this issue. Like I said to Teflon Don, I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from this, instead of just bitching that you don't like Media Matters. http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-the-fa/184493
 
Obviously, you didn't read or comprehend the information provided. Either that or you're just willfully ignorant of the all information available on this issue. Like I said to Teflon Don, I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from this, instead of just bitching that you don't like Media Matters. http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-the-fa/184493

Maybe you should understand that fracking, just in the US alone has reduced carbon emissions more than all the solar and wind in the entire world. That is something you ought to be celebrating not moaning about but then that's me.

Bjorn Lomborg: A Fracking Good Story

The amazing truth is that fracking has succeeded where Kyoto and carbon taxes have failed.


Weather conditions around the world this summer have provided ample fodder for the global warming debate. Droughts and heat waves are a harbinger of our future, carbon cuts are needed now more than ever, and yet meaningful policies have not been enacted.

But, beyond this well-trodden battlefield, something amazing has happened: Carbon-dioxide emissions in the United States have dropped to their lowest level in 20 years. Estimating on the basis of data from the US Energy Information Agency (EIA) from the first five months of 2012, this year’s expected CO2 emissions have declined by more than 800 million tons, or 14 per cent, from their peak in 2007.

The cause is an unprecedented switch to natural gas, which emits 45 per cent less carbon per energy unit. The US used to generate about half its electricity from coal, and roughly 20 per cent from gas. Over the past five years, those numbers have changed, first slowly and now dramatically: in April of this year, coal’s share in power generation plummeted to just 32 per cent, on par with gas.

America’s rapid switch to natural gas is the result of three decades of technological innovation, particularly the development of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” which has opened up large new resources of previously inaccessible shale gas. Despite some legitimate concerns about safety, it is hard to overstate the overwhelming benefits.

For starters, fracking has caused gas prices to drop dramatically. Adjusted for inflation, gas has not been this cheap for the past 35 years, with the price this year 3 to 5 times lower than it was in the mid-2000’s. And, while a flagging economy may explain a small portion of the drop in US carbon emissions, the EIA emphasizes that the major explanation is natural gas.

The reduction is even more impressive when one considers that 57 million additional energy consumers were added to the US population over the past two decades. Indeed, US carbon emissions have dropped some 20 per cent per capita, and are now at their lowest level since Dwight D. Eisenhower left the White House in 1961.

David Victor, an energy expert at the University of California, San Diego, estimates that the shift from coal to natural gas has reduced US emissions by 400 to 500 megatonnes (Mt) of CO2 per year. To put that number in perspective, it is about twice the total effect of the Kyoto Protocol on carbon emissions in the rest of the world, including the European Union.

It is tempting to believe that renewable energy sources are responsible for emissions reductions, but the numbers clearly say otherwise. Accounting for a reduction of 50 Mt of CO2 per year, America’s 30,000 wind turbines reduce emissions by just one-tenth the amount that natural gas does. Biofuels reduce emissions by only ten Mt, and solar panels by a paltry three Mt.

This flies in the face of conventional thinking, which continues to claim that mandating carbon reductions – through cap-and-trade or a carbon tax – is the only way to combat climate change.
But, based on Europe’s experience, such policies are precisely the wrong way to address global warming. Since 1990, the EU has heavily subsidized solar and wind energy at a cost of more than $20 billion annually. Yet its per capita CO2 emissions have fallen by less than half of the reduction achieved in the US – even in percentage terms, the US is now doing better.

Because of broad European skepticism about fracking, there is no gas miracle in the EU, while the abundance of heavily subsidized renewables has caused over-achievement of the CO2 target. Along with the closure of German nuclear power stations, this has led, ironically, to a resurgence of coal.

Well-meaning US politicians have likewise shown how not to tackle global warming with subsidies and tax breaks. The relatively small reduction in emissions achieved through wind power costs more than $3.3 billion annually, and far smaller reductions from ethanol (biofuels) and solar panels cost at least $8.5 and $3 billion annually.

Estimates suggest that using carbon taxes to achieve a further 330 Mt CO2 reduction in the EU would cost $250 billion per year. Meanwhile, the fracking bonanza in the US not only delivers a much greater reduction for free, but also creates long-term social benefits through lower energy costs.

The amazing truth is that fracking has succeeded where Kyoto and carbon taxes have failed. As shown in a study by the Breakthrough Institute, fracking was built on substantial government investment in technological innovation for three decades.

Climate economists repeatedly have pointed out that such energy innovation is the most effective climate solution, because it is the surest way to drive the price of future green energy sources below that of fossil fuels. By contrast, subsidizing current, ineffective solar power or ethanol mostly wastes money while benefiting special interests. Fracking is not a panacea, but it really is by far this decade’s best green-energy option.

http://www.thegwpf.org/bjorn-lomborg-a-fracking-good-story/
 
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See folks, when faced with facts they don't like, intellectually impotent neocon/teabagger buffoons like Teflon Don essentially AVOID the information and just parrot their BS.

Somebody should tell this fool that if he didn't care, he wouldn't bother responding or posting at all. Clearly, the Teflon Don just isn't that bright, and my assessment of him and his relatives on this issue stands via his own testimony and actions chronicled on this thread.

I'm done with this fool, and leave him to flail and fume his predictable silly retorts.

I don't even care if what you say is true. I am thrilled by my relatives windfall and I bathe in your crocodile tears
 
Spoken like a true short sighted, greedy little neocon/teabagger asshole.

Environment and everyone else be damned for your profit, ehh bunky? You can't handle the truth, like your buddies

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?61653-NIMBY-Fracking!&p=1466204#post1466204

Yeah, think your money will buy you clean water and fresh air forever? Dope.

I would love just one gas station owner in the middle of nowhere to tell you to buy your gas somewhere else.
 
I would love just one gas station owner in the middle of nowhere to tell you to buy your gas somewhere else.

Better yet he should tell him to piss in his gas tank and see how far it gets him

Fracking has created an economic boom in the Dakotas. I read where McDonalds is having to offer $15/hr to be competitive. Too bad so many lefties don't understand the free market.
 
Fracking and energy exploration would serve two goals

1) it would create an economic boom not seen since Reagan

2) it would deal a death blow to terrorists because their oil money would dry up as we become a net exporter of energy


Anyone who opposes energy exploration and buys into bulshit renewables is a traitor
 
Fracking and energy exploration would serve two goals

1) it would create an economic boom not seen since Reagan

2) it would deal a death blow to terrorists because their oil money would dry up as we become a net exporter of energy


Anyone who opposes energy exploration and buys into bulshit renewables is a traitor

But Exxon, cop.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Obviously, you didn't read or comprehend the information provided. Either that or you're just willfully ignorant of the all information available on this issue. Like I said to Teflon Don, I dare you to logically and factually disprove ONE linked FACT from
this, instead of just bitching that you don't like Media Matters. http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-the-fa/184493


Maybe you should understand that fracking, just in the US alone has reduced carbon emissions more than all the solar and wind in the entire world. That is something you ought to be celebrating not moaning about but then that's me.

Bjorn Lomborg: A Fracking Good Story

The amazing truth is that fracking has succeeded where Kyoto and carbon taxes have failed.


Weather conditions around the world this summer have provided ample fodder for the global warming debate. Droughts and heat waves are a harbinger of our future, carbon cuts are needed now more than ever, and yet meaningful policies have not been enacted.

But, beyond this well-trodden battlefield, something amazing has happened: Carbon-dioxide emissions in the United States have dropped to their lowest level in 20 years. Estimating on the basis of data from the US Energy Information Agency (EIA) from the first five months of 2012, this year’s expected CO2 emissions have declined by more than 800 million tons, or 14 per cent, from their peak in 2007.

The cause is an unprecedented switch to natural gas, which emits 45 per cent less carbon per energy unit. The US used to generate about half its electricity from coal, and roughly 20 per cent from gas. Over the past five years, those numbers have changed, first slowly and now dramatically: in April of this year, coal’s share in power generation plummeted to just 32 per cent, on par with gas.

America’s rapid switch to natural gas is the result of three decades of technological innovation, particularly the development of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” which has opened up large new resources of previously inaccessible shale gas. Despite some legitimate concerns about safety, it is hard to overstate the overwhelming benefits.

For starters, fracking has caused gas prices to drop dramatically. Adjusted for inflation, gas has not been this cheap for the past 35 years, with the price this year 3 to 5 times lower than it was in the mid-2000’s. And, while a flagging economy may explain a small portion of the drop in US carbon emissions, the EIA emphasizes that the major explanation is natural gas.

The reduction is even more impressive when one considers that 57 million additional energy consumers were added to the US population over the past two decades. Indeed, US carbon emissions have dropped some 20 per cent per capita, and are now at their lowest level since Dwight D. Eisenhower left the White House in 1961.

David Victor, an energy expert at the University of California, San Diego, estimates that the shift from coal to natural gas has reduced US emissions by 400 to 500 megatonnes (Mt) of CO2 per year. To put that number in perspective, it is about twice the total effect of the Kyoto Protocol on carbon emissions in the rest of the world, including the European Union.

It is tempting to believe that renewable energy sources are responsible for emissions reductions, but the numbers clearly say otherwise. Accounting for a reduction of 50 Mt of CO2 per year, America’s 30,000 wind turbines reduce emissions by just one-tenth the amount that natural gas does. Biofuels reduce emissions by only ten Mt, and solar panels by a paltry three Mt.

This flies in the face of conventional thinking, which continues to claim that mandating carbon reductions – through cap-and-trade or a carbon tax – is the only way to combat climate change.
But, based on Europe’s experience, such policies are precisely the wrong way to address global warming. Since 1990, the EU has heavily subsidized solar and wind energy at a cost of more than $20 billion annually. Yet its per capita CO2 emissions have fallen by less than half of the reduction achieved in the US – even in percentage terms, the US is now doing better.

Because of broad European skepticism about fracking, there is no gas miracle in the EU, while the abundance of heavily subsidized renewables has caused over-achievement of the CO2 target. Along with the closure of German nuclear power stations, this has led, ironically, to a resurgence of coal.

Well-meaning US politicians have likewise shown how not to tackle global warming with subsidies and tax breaks. The relatively small reduction in emissions achieved through wind power costs more than $3.3 billion annually, and far smaller reductions from ethanol (biofuels) and solar panels cost at least $8.5 and $3 billion annually.

Estimates suggest that using carbon taxes to achieve a further 330 Mt CO2 reduction in the EU would cost $250 billion per year. Meanwhile, the fracking bonanza in the US not only delivers a much greater reduction for free, but also creates long-term social benefits through lower energy costs.

The amazing truth is that fracking has succeeded where Kyoto and carbon taxes have failed. As shown in a study by the Breakthrough Institute, fracking was built on substantial government investment in technological innovation for three decades.

Climate economists repeatedly have pointed out that such energy innovation is the most effective climate solution, because it is the surest way to drive the price of future green energy sources below that of fossil fuels. By contrast, subsidizing current, ineffective solar power or ethanol mostly wastes money while benefiting special interests. Fracking is not a panacea, but it really is by far this decade’s best green-energy option.

http://www.thegwpf.org/bjorn-lomborg-a-fracking-good-story/

Oh for the love of God....Bjorn Lomborg??!! Puh-leeze! This joker has all the credibility on this subject of screen door maker for submarines. Observe and learn:

http://www.newsweek.com/debunking-lomborg-climate-change-skeptic-75173

http://climatechangepsychology.blogspot.com/2013/11/bjorn-lomborgs-deceptions-and-immorality.html




Because Washington Post editorial editor Fred Hiatt did not bother to fact-check Lomborg’s column, the Wonk Room took on the task. We chose to test the new Climate Science Rapid Response Team, a scientist-run initiative to link top climate scientists with the media officially launched today. After we submitted questions about Lomborg’s claims to the team, we received comprehensive answers from three top climate scientists within 48 hours, even though we made our inquiries before the official launch.

In separate e-mail interviews (the scientists also offered to conduct phone interviews), the Carnegie Institution Department of Global Ecology’s Ken Caldeira, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s Josh Willis, and Rutgers University’s Alan Robock independently confirmed that Bjorn Lomborg had misrepresented the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) report.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/11/22/207075/bjorn-lomborg-debunked-op-ed-cool-it/
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Spoken like a true short sighted, greedy little neocon/teabagger asshole.

Environment and everyone else be damned for your profit, ehh bunky? You can't handle the truth, like your buddies

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...04#post1466204

Yeah, think your money will buy you clean water and fresh air forever? Dope.

I would love just one gas station owner in the middle of nowhere to tell you to buy your gas somewhere else.

Spare us all the BS smokescreen, will ya please? If you can't debunk the opening post or subsequent links on the subject, then quit with the sour grapes...it doesn't become you.
 
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