NFL Players Kneel, Raise Fists During National Anthem in Preseason Games

Darth Omar said:
You keep dodging the point about Trump’s offer.

If the kneelers don’t know someone in prison, surely their fans do. Trump is willing to pardon people.

But no takers. And you even conceded that it was because Trump would take credit for it. You think the poor bugger in prison cares who gets credit for their release?

I think I’m done taking you seriously.
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The bolded is typical dishonesty from you, btw. I didn't say that was the reason. I said Trump would say that solved the issue & that he did more than any other President - you characterization is a total lie.
 
Thing1 said:
Hmmmmm...and if Trump did pardon one person, he'd trumpet that as "solving the problem" and how he has done more than "any other President in history" (just like he did w/ Puerto Rico), and there would still be zero progress on unequal treatment under the law in general.

Honestly, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, you only have a very surface understanding of this issue, and of what their concerns are. Most are protesting because of how they see the black community being treated - they're not protesting because it necessarily affects them personally, or because they have a family member in jail.
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Here is the post. Read it again - carefully.

My point is more that he'd make a big show about the pardon, and would claim success & this would end the issue for him. It's fine that he takes "credit" for the pardon - but it goes well beyond that. He'd take credit (as he should), but then claim that he addressed the entire issue - just like he did w/ PR.

How can you not get that? Do you really not understand what I'm saying there? Are you sure you should be posting on a political message board?
 
Grumpy said:
I do. I vote with my wallet they want to protest fine it's their right. And it's my right to take my business elsewhere. To be honest I rarely watch the NFL, it's strictly college ball for me.
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Yup, that's why I said fuck the nfl and the nra long, long ago.
 
Althea said:
OK. You have the country's attention. How about starting a massive 'get out the vote' campaign? The timing is perfect, just as it was when Kap. failed miserably in his ploy. Idiot didn't even vote.

There are ways to exact change, if that's what the players actually want.
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but it was OK when tea tards spoke out huh
 
Thing1 said:
Here is the post. Read it again - carefully.

My point is more that he'd make a big show about the pardon, and would claim success & this would end the issue for him. It's fine that he takes "credit" for the pardon - but it goes well beyond that. He'd take credit (as he should), but then claim that he addressed the entire issue - just like he did w/ PR.

How can you not get that? Do you really not understand what I'm saying there? Are you sure you should be posting on a political message board?
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Just like I thought: you put Trump getting credit over the welfare of someone serving a life sentence.

You must feel pretty strongly about seeing to it that Trump doesn’t get credit for it.
 
guno said:
Natures way of cleansing the gene pool
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In Atlanta I know many seniors who have lost grandchildren and nieces and nephews to Opioids. They are going to funerals for young people so often, I hate to ask. I mean normal, educated, middle or upper class families. Its not just for ghetto people.

These young people are college educated or in college, upwardly mobile.. . I can't find any socio-economic or religious group that hasn't been affected.
 
kudzu said:
In Atlanta I know many seniors who have lost grandchildren and nieces and nephews to Opioids. They are going to funerals for young people so often, I hate to ask. I mean normal, educated, middle or upper class families. Its not just for ghetto people.

These young people are college educated or in college, upwardly mobile.. . I can't find any socio-economic or religious group that hasn't been affected.
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The young people I know who have died from opioids came from two parent families who were upper middle class with the exception of one young man whose father died in a construction accident. I feel blessed my children never became users.
 
Thing1 said:
What a friggin' liar.

Despicable, Darth. A total lie. Grow up.
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Hmmmmm...and if Trump did pardon one person, he'd trumpet that as "solving the problem" and how he has done more than "any other President in history" (just like he did w/ Puerto Rico), and there would still be zero progress on unequal treatment under the law in general. [Thing]
 
Darth Omar said:
Hmmmmm...and if Trump did pardon one person, he'd trumpet that as "solving the problem" and how he has done more than "any other President in history" (just like he did w/ Puerto Rico), and there would still be zero progress on unequal treatment under the law in general. [Thing]
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Um, yeah - which is completely different from your characterization.

Sick.
 
This is why Ritter would actually like to see the players give Trump names to review. He understands why they’d be reluctant to do so from a political perspective but thinks “calling him on his bluff” may get deserving people out of prison.

Is that something Trump could dangle over the NFL’s head for the rest of his presidency? Yes. But if you have an opportunity to free a non-violent person from an unjustly long sentence — if you have a chance to truly give someone his or her life back — might that dangling be worth it?

I have no idea what the right answer is.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...-pardon-offer-is-well-intentioned-but-flawed/
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Just, wow.

Allow me to help you. If you can only find one person who is serving an unjustifiably long prison sentence and this is the issue you are fighting for—and you have the opportunity to fix it, you fix it. Screw everything else.

Even the perception that bastard Trump might one-up you.

Even that. Anything else, one has to wonder what it is you care about most.
 
Darth Omar said:
This is why Ritter would actually like to see the players give Trump names to review. He understands why they’d be reluctant to do so from a political perspective but thinks “calling him on his bluff” may get deserving people out of prison.

Is that something Trump could dangle over the NFL’s head for the rest of his presidency? Yes. But if you have an opportunity to free a non-violent person from an unjustly long sentence — if you have a chance to truly give someone his or her life back — might that dangling be worth it?

I have no idea what the right answer is.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...-pardon-offer-is-well-intentioned-but-flawed/
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Just, wow.

Allow me to help you. If you can only find one person who is serving an unjustifiably long prison sentence and this is the issue you are fighting for—and you have the opportunity to fix it, you fix it. Screw everything else.

Even the perception that bastard Trump might one-up you.

Even that. Anything else, one has to wonder what it is you care about most.
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You're going to keep your blinders up, and keep lying.

I'm done w/ this. It's not about Trump "getting credit." It's about Trump saying "problem solved." Can you name the player who knows someone who Trump would 100% commit to pardoning?

Nah. Didn't think so.
 
Darth Omar said:
This is why Ritter would actually like to see the players give Trump names to review. He understands why they’d be reluctant to do so from a political perspective but thinks “calling him on his bluff” may get deserving people out of prison.

Is that something Trump could dangle over the NFL’s head for the rest of his presidency? Yes. But if you have an opportunity to free a non-violent person from an unjustly long sentence — if you have a chance to truly give someone his or her life back — might that dangling be worth it?

I have no idea what the right answer is.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...-pardon-offer-is-well-intentioned-but-flawed/
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Just, wow.

Allow me to help you. If you can only find one person who is serving an unjustifiably long prison sentence and this is the issue you are fighting for—and you have the opportunity to fix it, you fix it. Screw everything else.

Even the perception that bastard Trump might one-up you.

Even that. Anything else, one has to wonder what it is you care about most.
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Louisiana has a long history of throwing the closest black person into prison when a crime is committed. DNA testing is getting them out now.
 
Thing1 said:
Um, yeah - which is completely different from your characterization.

Sick.
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Whatever lol.

See how this is going? Trump is president and not a wizard: he has no magic wand he can wave to make social injustice disappear. So, he offers a fig leaf to the kneelers instead and makes a practical offer to pardon some folks.

One which they rejected.
 
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