New National ID System

[ThatOwlWoman]

Good. Listen to that instinct. It means you're intelligent enough to acknowledge government officials can be just as fallible as the rest of us, and capable of harm if given unchecked powers.

All it takes is one.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I have a different perspective from you on this but I appreciate how you laid out your viewpoint. I hope you post more.

Thank you, ca.

Interesting issue you raised here. I expect my take is in the minority (by a long shot)...but it's worthwhile to gain multiple perspectives.

 

[Rune]

I am absolutely POSITIVE that the libertarians have a different (and legitimate) viewpoint from me.

I am merely stating mine...and I consider it legitimate also.

I have lived anything but a "sheltered" life. I've had to eke out a living since age 17...and I've gone through shit that has stopped many others dead in their tracks. But I am a lucky guy...things seem to break my way most of the time.

I just think that privacy issues of the kind mentioned here...are NOT the huge negative some people here think they are. And I also think that less "privacy" is a "price we are going to pay" (if you want to think of it that way) for a better, safer world.

If you disagree...fine with me.

All we are doing here is sharing our considerations of the problems facing humanity. I do not consider this to be one of the important ones...if it is one at all.

I do a lot to ensure my privacy...small seemingly meaningless things but that is my choice and the act of resistance alone provide meaning and direction.
I don't use store cards.
I don't give my numbers to cashiers, often to their great displeasure.
I could go on and on with the efforts I make...perhaps if
I were your age I would resign myself to the "inevitable" as well, but I do think that push back against govco overreach ca
n be effective...unless the great majority of statists like yourself do nothing, like sheep being led to the slaughter.


This is why I find your position disheartening.
Not realistic, but rather relenting.
I feel sorry for those of your mindset.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Can we use these new ID's as voter recognition??

 

[CFM]

Actually, you didn't. I answered the question you did ask.

But since it seems you to want my age to see if I am mature enough to understand "civil rights"...

...I am 81. I was born 8/9/1936.





My view of civil rights is not "limited." I simply am of a different mind set on the issue from what most here seem to feel. Also, I am a pragmatic individual and it seems to me that any reasonable assessment of our technological evolution leads one to suppose we will have less in the way of privacy tomorrow than today...and less the day after that...NO MATTER WHAT.

I simply do not see that necessarily as a negative..and often view it as a positive.



I did read that sentence...and although it seems to want to limit discussion to "Civil Libertarians", I felt I had a right to comment. If this is consider taboo or inappropriate in this forum, I will apologize and leave the thread.

Is it?

If you view it as a positive, to say it's not what you want, that's a lie.

Maybe you want it because, at your age, you're likely to stroke out, fall down some stairs, or go into cardiac arrest and want someone to be able to find you.

 

[moon]

If you view it as a positive, to say it's not what you want, that's a lie.

Maybe you want it because, at your age, you're likely to stroke out, fall down some stairs, or go into cardiac arrest and want someone to be able to find you.

Your personal ID could be branded on your ass- so that all your one-off humps know who you are.

 

[CFM]

Your personal ID could be branded on your ass- so that all your one-off humps know who you are.

I branded your mother's ass last I humped her. I wrote my number on it so next time you see her naked you'll know who her "daddy" is.

 

[moon]

Strange. There are lots of tats on my ma's ass- but no sign of a ' zero '.

 

[CFM]

Strange. There are lots of tats on my ma's ass- but no sign of a ' zero '.

The zero is the one she shit out and is called "moon2012".

Interesting how you look at your mother's ass enough to know she has lots of tats on it. Must be a cultural thing among you ragheads.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Question:
IF !!
we go w/ some sort of nationalized ID, whether issued directly from the feds like a passport, or manufactured to uniform federal standards by local DMV's across the nation,
should such ID include a biometric identifier, such as a retinal scan, or perhaps a thumb-print?

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

Maybe they could encode it with our DNA!!

 

[Rune]

Can we use these new ID's as voter recognition??

That's the point.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

excellent

Then please clarify.
Must it be EXCLUSIVELY issued by the U.S. federal government ONLY?

- OR -

Would merely having a uniform national standard be OK, allowing each State to issue them, as for example from DMV?

AND

Why do you have a preference one way or the other?

I believe that the DMV's can issue them; but they have to follow the Fed standards.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

who's 'WE'? because I damn sure don't want ANY government intrusion into my life, my privacy, OR my freedom so please do some of us who aren't dependent upon government and don't speak for me or have the 'good' intentions of trying to protect me with government. thanks.


we can also agree that this is false equivalency, like apples and oranges.



yeah, we actually are arguing about that.

The ID requirement doesn't apply to you; because you've already said you drive without one.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

That's the point.

So it would be a win-win.

 

[CFM]

The ID requirement doesn't apply to you; because you've already said you drive without one.

He also said that he believed it was OK for someone to drive drunk and that checkpoints designed to prevent innocent people from being killed were wrong. In fact, me mentioned that a family member had been killed by a drunk driver yet that it was still wrong to try and prevent one from killing more. If he doesn't care enough for his own family, imagine how little he cares about other innocent people.

 

[moon]

The zero is the one she shit out and is called "moon2012".

Interesting how you look at your mother's ass enough to know she has lots of tats on it. Must be a cultural thing among you ragheads.

No- it's on the Internet. You've certainly wanked over it many a time as you claim to know her.

You're not Micro Mike are ya ?

 

[Granule]

I can see that it makes sense to have a tamperproof national ID to identify legal citizens and residents, from a security standpoint. But there is always a chance of government abuse of such a system.

That's why it's best to simply check eye, hair and skin color, along with the person's accent if you're unsure about someone's ID, or lack thereof.

 

[CFM]

No- it's on the Internet. You've certainly wanked over it many a time as you claim to know her.

You're not Micro Mike are ya ?

I don't know her. I just do her.

 

[moon]

I don't know her. I just do her.

You mean dress up and stuff ?

 

[CFM]

You mean dress up and stuff ?

I'm not surprised you don't know what that means. When the only time you've ever had any is playing with yourself alone in the shower, it's easy to understand why you wouldn't know.