New National ID System

CFM said:
Why don't you try being a man for once in your life you old bastard? It's refreshing. Perhaps at your age, it's too late for you to try.

Don't confuse treating you and speaking to you like you should be treated and spoken to with anger and contempt.
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Obviously you are not able to act adult...and I guess it would be an "act" anyway.

So continue to be an out-of-control adolescent. There actually is a humorous aspect to it...and I enjoy a good laugh.
 
CFM said:
Acceptance of something isn't but one step from wanting it. In many cases, there is no difference.
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Good grief...don't attempt philosophy, CFM. It is WAY above your pay grade...and it won't go over as well among the other kids at the playground.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Obviously you are not able to act adult...and I guess it would be an "act" anyway.

So continue to be an out-of-control adolescent. There actually is a humorous aspect to it...and I enjoy a good laugh.
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As an adult, I tell it like it is. That you can understand that proves you're either too old to care or your advanced age has caused your mind to function at a slower pace.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Good grief...don't attempt philosophy, CFM. It is WAY above your pay grade...and it won't go over as well among the other kids at the playground.
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It was a success that obviously was on a higher level than your deteriorating mind can fathom old bastard.

It's OK. At your age, you'll die soon and be out of your misery.
 
CFM said:
As an adult, I tell it like it is. That you can understand that proves you're either too old to care or your advanced age has caused your mind to function at a slower pace.
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Wow...can you sink any further into the gutter?

It was a success that obviously was on a higher level than your deteriorating mind can fathom old bastard.

It's OK. At your age, you'll die soon and be out of your misery.
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Ahhh...obviously you can.

Gotta tell you...it sounds to me as though YOU are the one in misery.

Work your way out of it, CFM.

This is the life you are going to live...it is not a dress rehearsal.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Wow...can you sink any further into the gutter?



Ahhh...obviously you can.

Gotta tell you...it sounds to me as though YOU are the one in misery.

Work your way out of it, CFM.

This is the life you are going to live...it is not a dress rehearsal.
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My life is fine and will last far longer than the few years, or perhaps months, at your advanced age, you have left.

Not my fault your dementia is getting that bad. Maybe the folks at the nursing home can help you out.
 
CFM said:
My life is fine and will last far longer than the few years, or perhaps months, at your advanced age, you have left.

Not my fault your dementia is getting that bad. Maybe the folks at the nursing home can help you out.
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Does Mommy know you are using her computer this way?
 
Frank Apisa said:
No...it isn't. It wasn't.

My thoughts on this are not Orwellian.




You may.
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I did. Just trying to understand your limited view of civil rights.

Before this goes much further, will you please read the first sentence in the first post of this thread, since it provides the context.
 
Rune said:
I did.
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Actually, you didn't. I answered the question you did ask.

But since it seems you to want my age to see if I am mature enough to understand "civil rights"...

...I am 81. I was born 8/9/1936.



Just trying to understand your limited view of civil rights.
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My view of civil rights is not "limited." I simply am of a different mind set on the issue from what most here seem to feel. Also, I am a pragmatic individual and it seems to me that any reasonable assessment of our technological evolution leads one to suppose we will have less in the way of privacy tomorrow than today...and less the day after that...NO MATTER WHAT.

I simply do not see that necessarily as a negative..and often view it as a positive.

Before this goes much further, will you please read the first sentence in the first post of this thread, since it provides the context.
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I did read that sentence...and although it seems to want to limit discussion to "Civil Libertarians", I felt I had a right to comment. If this is consider taboo or inappropriate in this forum, I will apologize and leave the thread.

Is it?
 
Frank Apisa said:
Actually, you didn't. I answered the question you did ask.

But since it seems you to want my age to see if I am mature enough to understand "civil rights"...

...I am 81. I was born 8/9/1936.





My view of civil rights is not "limited." I simply am of a different mind set on the issue from what most here seem to feel. Also, I am a pragmatic individual and it seems to me that any reasonable assessment of our technological evolution leads one to suppose we will have less in the way of privacy tomorrow than today...and less the day after that...NO MATTER WHAT.

I simply do not see that necessarily as a negative..and often view it as a positive.



I did read that sentence...and although it seems to want to limit discussion to "Civil Libertarians", I felt I had a right to comment. If this is consider taboo or inappropriate in this forum, I will apologize and leave the thread.

Is it?
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Not at all.
Just trying to point out that the libertarians might have a different (as well as legitimate) viewpoint than a statist. You have led a long, sheltered life. Kudos
 
Rune said:
Not at all.
Just trying to point out that the libertarians might have a different (as well as legitimate) viewpoint than a statist. You have led a long, sheltered life. Kudos
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I am absolutely POSITIVE that the libertarians have a different (and legitimate) viewpoint from me.

I am merely stating mine...and I consider it legitimate also.

I have lived anything but a "sheltered" life. I've had to eke out a living since age 17...and I've gone through shit that has stopped many others dead in their tracks. But I am a lucky guy...things seem to break my way most of the time.

I just think that privacy issues of the kind mentioned here...are NOT the huge negative some people here think they are. And I also think that less "privacy" is a "price we are going to pay" (if you want to think of it that way) for a better, safer world.

If you disagree...fine with me.

All we are doing here is sharing our considerations of the problems facing humanity. I do not consider this to be one of the important ones...if it is one at all.
 
cawacko said:
For the Civil Libertarian folks does this cross the line from security to gov't overreach?



Policy Analysis No. 831


The New National ID Systems


Americans have long rejected a national ID, but many U.S. state governments are quietly developing national ID systems in a variety of forms. One is the uniform identity card system envisioned by the REAL ID Act. That federal law, passed in 2005, seeks to subject state drivers’ licensing to federal data collection and information-sharing standards that will facilitate identification and tracking.

State promotion of the E-Verify background check system, which is intended to control the employment of illegal immigrants, is another path to a national ID. Successful implementation of E-Verify will require a national ID, and some states are already sharing driver data with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security so that it can be used in federally administered worker background checks.

Less well known are several other programs poised to produce the same results as a national ID without the requirement of an identity card or other formalities.

These developments position states and the federal government to make once-ordinary behavior like driving on city streets and strolling the sidewalks of American towns into recordkeeping events for an overly attentive state. They compose what might be called the new national ID.

This paper summarizes the stances of each of the 50 states on various ID systems, including REAL ID, E-Verify, facial recognition, and license-plate scanning.

Together, those technologies—along with other initiatives orchestrated at the federal level—are the leading edge of a national identification and tracking infrastructure.

Officials and citizens in every American state should review their states’ identification, data collection, and data retention policies. The privacy and liberty of all Americans are threatened by such increasingly widespread surveillance systems.

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https://www.cato.org/publications/p...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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This is, frankly, a disgusting overreach of federal govt power. But not at all surprising, given the trend our government's had on civil liberties since 9/11. Between the Patriot Act, NDAA, NSA surveillance, police militarization, and now this...I think people should be a little more concerned for this country than they are. It's not as if corrupted government is some fairy tale fantasy that's never happened before. In fact, if one will only recall their history lessons, it ends up happening to every great empire.
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Your post is practical, pragmatic, logical, and reality-based. That being said, something about the idea of a national ID card bothers me on an instinctive level.
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Good. Listen to that instinct. It means you're intelligent enough to acknowledge government officials can be just as fallible as the rest of us, and capable of harm if given unchecked powers.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I am absolutely POSITIVE that the libertarians have a different (and legitimate) viewpoint from me.

I am merely stating mine...and I consider it legitimate also.

I have lived anything but a "sheltered" life. I've had to eke out a living since age 17...and I've gone through shit that has stopped many others dead in their tracks. But I am a lucky guy...things seem to break my way most of the time.

I just think that privacy issues of the kind mentioned here...are NOT the huge negative some people here think they are. And I also think that less "privacy" is a "price we are going to pay" (if you want to think of it that way) for a better, safer world.

If you disagree...fine with me.

All we are doing here is sharing our considerations of the problems facing humanity. I do not consider this to be one of the important ones...if it is one at all.
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I have a different perspective from you on this but I appreciate how you laid out your viewpoint. I hope you post more.
 
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