New Iraq report reminds us what a real issue is

Why are you even trying to argue this w/ me? I was against both. You're the one who liked the GOP one, but not the Dem one.

As far as scale, there is no comparison whatsoever.

Thats true, as far scale there is no comparison....which is irrelevant.

Weren't you comparing the justification for Libya and tacitly defending Clinton.... ?.....like Libya ok, Iraq, not ok?.....

If I mis-understood, I apologize ..... I know you say you were against both....and the article in the Atlantic paints a picture just like Iraq....

but I won't ever forget the years leading up to the Iraq war....what was being said during the Clinton years and after just can't be overlooked and played a big part in what came
in 2002......that is undeniable.....Iraq didn't happen in a vacuum....
 
Thats true, as far scale there is no comparison....which is irrelevant.

Weren't you comparing the justification for Libya and tacitly defending Clinton.... ?.....like Libya ok, Iraq, not ok?.....

If I mis-understood, I apologize ..... I know you say you were against both....and the article in the Atlantic paints a picture just like Iraq....

but I won't ever forget the years leading up to the Iraq war....what was being said during the Clinton years and after just can't be overlooked and played a big part in what came
in 2002......that is undeniable.....Iraq didn't happen in a vacuum....

I've seen your arguments on here too many times. I'm still amazed that someone can be so in the tank for a political party that they could make them so consistently.

In bravo-world, Bush was forced to invade because Congressional Dems put so much pressure on him. He was the innocent bystander Prez, and Iraq was a Democrat war.

People wouldn't believe me if I tried to explain that there were hacks who really felt that way.
 
It got him no traction because Hillary supporters don't care about it. Well, they'll give lip service about caring but will vote for her anyway lol.

But the invasion of Iraq is history and not particularly relevant to this election: who even knows what Donald Rumsfield is doing and Bush The Hated has been retired for two presidential terms now.

What is relevant is what happened in the region after Obama was elected and HRC was appointed Sec State. The invasion of Libya was arguably more bone headed than the Iraq invasion, just on a smaller scale. But that has the disadvantage not providing fodder to trash conservatives while trying to deflect from Hillary getting off the hook.

The Obama administration dropping the ball on the SOFA agreement in Iraq; again with Hillary as Sec State, would be a more relevant OP if the point is to constrast 'real issues' with Hillary's extreme negligence in handling classified and top secret information---and getting away Scott free with it.

You cannot be serious. Neither Iraq nor the rest of the ME is better off because we invaded.

"There was a list of reasons for deposing the Baathists in Iraq, but the leading political argument—the one that convinced the American public that war was a necessity—was the alleged presence of weapons of mass destruction. After 9/11, Americans were understandably anxious about the potential catastrophic consequences of a terror-friendly nation possessing this kind of technology. But there is no way around the fact that this persuasive reason turned out to be erroneous.

A parallel—and more quixotic—argument revolved around the theory that once Saddam was overthrown our presence would spark some kind of liberal transformation in the Middle East. That too turned out to be false—with devastating consequences. And it had little to do with our military execution.

Our failure was political: the Bush administration (and many others) overestimated the appetite of people in the region to embrace secular institutions and freedoms. Consequently, many more Americans died trying to create a stable Iraq than did fighting for the safety of Americans. The United States sacrificed those lives, not as detractors claim, for oil or empire, but for moral reasons. Yet, in the end, the Iraqi people failed because of their own historical, religious and cultural problems.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/05/27/no-the-world-isnt-better-off-because-of-the-iraq-war/
 
You cannot be serious. Neither Iraq nor the rest of the ME is better off because we invaded.

"There was a list of reasons for deposing the Baathists in Iraq, but the leading political argument—the one that convinced the American public that war was a necessity—was the alleged presence of weapons of mass destruction. After 9/11, Americans were understandably anxious about the potential catastrophic consequences of a terror-friendly nation possessing this kind of technology. But there is no way around the fact that this persuasive reason turned out to be erroneous.

A parallel—and more quixotic—argument revolved around the theory that once Saddam was overthrown our presence would spark some kind of liberal transformation in the Middle East. That too turned out to be false—with devastating consequences. And it had little to do with our military execution.

Our failure was political: the Bush administration (and many others) overestimated the appetite of people in the region to embrace secular institutions and freedoms. Consequently, many more Americans died trying to create a stable Iraq than did fighting for the safety of Americans. The United States sacrificed those lives, not as detractors claim, for oil or empire, but for moral reasons. Yet, in the end, the Iraqi people failed because of their own historical, religious and cultural problems.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/05/27/no-the-world-isnt-better-off-because-of-the-iraq-war/

Where did I say the region is better off?
 
I've seen your arguments on here too many times. I'm still amazed that someone can be so in the tank for a political party that they could make them so consistently.

In bravo-world, Bush was forced to invade because Congressional Dems put so much pressure on him. He was the innocent bystander Prez, and Iraq was a Democrat war.

People wouldn't believe me if I tried to explain that there were hacks who really felt that way.

Thats not what I said and you just insist on mis-representing what I state as fact....and they are fact.....

I've always said, no one lied, not Clinton and not Bush....I believe they both believed what they were saying at the time....
If you insist Bush lied, they you must insist Clinton and those various Dems. lied too....including Hillary.....

Believe what ever floats your boat, we won't change each others minds but I'd appreciate it if you'd stop lying about what I post.....

If I believed what you claim I mean, I would say it plain and simple.....
 
I stand by everything I've said. Iraq was justified based on intelligence that Saddam had WMD. That it turned out to be wrong, in retrospect, doesn't change the fact it's a better justification than getting involved in a civil war in Libya.

And I still don't why we did it. Maybe you can give me a quick tutorial lol.

Not wrong, phony. And bush refused to listen when people tried to tell him.
 
Where did I say the region is better off?

Not in so many words. But you were dismissive of the outcome. You said the invasion isn't particularly relevant to this election, yet cons are the ones who keep bringing it up in the context of Hillary's vote.
Then you said that Libya was more boneheaded than Iraq, which is mind-boggling. The ME has been unstable for centuries but it was the bush clusterf*ck that got us where we are today.
 
Not in so many words. But you were dismissive of the outcome. You said the invasion isn't particularly relevant to this election, yet cons are the ones who keep bringing it up in the context of Hillary's vote.
Then you said that Libya was more boneheaded than Iraq, which is mind-boggling. The ME has been unstable for centuries but it was the bush clusterf*ck that got us where we are today.

I made the case for the Iraq invasion so I'm not doing it again.

Regarding instability in Iraq: It would be nice to have gotten that SOFA but that would mean implicating Obama and Hillary, so that's out.
 
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