Missing the point on mass shootings.

[SmarterthanYou]

Again, this is "look what you made me do."

You're telling everyone here that you cannot control your violent tendencies.

So if that's the case, then you shouldn't have a gun AT ALL.

If you cannot control yourself, then you definitely aren't responsible enough to own a firearm.

If you are that instinctually violent, you belong in an asylum.

Crazy people say things like "if you pass gun control I'm going to kill you".

blah blah blah..........the nonsense you post is almost laughable if we didn't know you are actually serious about it.

 

[LV426]

this is why I hate arguing with liberals...........you never make sense

No...you are just afraid of confronting the parts of yourself that are problematic.

If you can presume to know the intention of the FF based on what they wrote 200+ years ago, then I can presume to know YOUR intention based on what you write here every single fucking day.

So that means when I say that you're a violent person who is making threats to everyone and anyone, looking for a flimsy excuse to murder people, you can't say that I'm wrong about that because it's based on what I observe of you here.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Try telling that to the victims of the Highland Park massacre.

Oh wait, you can't because many of them are dead.

I didn't say it was right, LV.
I merely said it was fact.

Everything isn't right in America. America is pretty seriously fucked up with no encouraging signs of imminent improvement.
Take off your rose-colored glasses.

 

[LV426]

of course I said that.

Ok, so Biden just signed gun control legislation, so are you going to go shoot up a public place now because you were triggered by that legislation?

 

[Jarod]

The main problem you have here is that the assumption that "every mass killing" is as you describe. Only the ones reported on the news fit that bill and are only 15% of the mass killings in the United States. Mass killings in downtown Chicago, for example, where gang members shoot up a house full of people are not reported in national news, and nobody seems to care. (It is my belief that nobody cares because there are already draconian laws against guns there). In a place where literally thousands are killed in a year, sometimes into 3 digits in a weekend it simply is ignored by the national media. You should try to figure out why those mass killings are the ones are "missing" from your knowledge rather than pretend that only the ones that you hear about should be the ones we are talking about.



You don't have that excuse, I don't believe folks with a JD (Juris Doctor, it's what lawyers get when they graduate it's like an MD, but for law and equivalent to a Masters Degree in actuality) should be forgiven for deliberately ignoring crimes and pretending that "all mass killings" fit within a specific narrative presented in the national media. You don't get a pass, you are driving this specific narrative on purpose and without regard to the truth. No matter how many times I read your hacktacularly partisan nonsense it never fails to disappoint me. I keep expecting you to be better than that, but you just aren't.

What narrative are you complaining about? I asked questions about why these people do these things, I think its important for us to learn. You claim I am driving a narrative??? Do you not believe it is important to learn why these people do what they do and what the connection is to these specific rifles?

I believe the Gang Killings in Chicago are a very different thing than the mass killings by disturbed white young men. Because they are different things, they need to be studied differently, and have different solutions. Do you not agree?

Can you discuss without simply attacking the person asking the question? Why do these questions set you off so badly? You need to ask yourself why me wanting to study these issues compels you to want to attack me.

 

[LV426]

'wrong' was in reference to your idiot comparison of the wife beater defense.

Why is it wrong, though?

You said that your only resort would be to act violently towards anyone who advocates or enacts gun control, which is just like a wife beater saying his only resort was to act violently because dinner was cold.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Ok, so Biden just signed gun control legislation, so are you going to go shoot up a public place now because you were triggered by that legislation?

The recent gun control legislation, weak as it is, will almost certainly be struck down by the pigshit trumpanzee SCOTUS the first time it's challenged.
Th people who turned A Handmaids Tale into real life will protect our Westworld lifestyle. Buy ammo.

 

[LV426]

Mass killings in downtown Chicago, for example, where gang members shoot up a house full of people are not reported in national news, and nobody seems to care

The highest gun murder rate in the country isn't Chicago, or Los Angeles, or Atlanta, or New York.

It is Jackson, Mississippi.

The state with the highest gun murder rate isn't California, New York, Illinois, or Massachusetts.

It is Alaska.

So I totally get why you want to focus on Chicago, when the real problems are in all the red states and counties with far higher gun death rates than the major cities.

But you never hear about that in the press...

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No...you are just afraid of confronting the parts of yourself that are problematic.

If you can presume to know the intention of the FF based on what they wrote 200+ years ago, then I can presume to know YOUR intention based on what you write here every single fucking day.

So that means when I say that you're a violent person who is making threats to everyone and anyone, looking for a flimsy excuse to murder people, you can't say that I'm wrong about that because it's based on what I observe of you here.

ROFL whatever, idiot.

 

[LV426]

no

But that's what you threatened, so are you now going back on what you threatened?

anyone who tries to enforce it on me

"look what you made me do."

f it escalates nationally, THEN it might fall on all of those who enacted it and advocated it.

So Biden just signed gun control legislation, so...your move.

 

[LV426]

blah blah blah..........the nonsense you post is almost laughable if we didn't know you are actually serious about it.

You said you're a violent person and then you gave yourself an excuse to act violently by placing the blame for your future violence on those who are trying to protect everyone from it.

 

[Damocles]

Yes, we need to study this connection. I agree.. .was it designed to attract this type of person? What is the connection, does it represent some kind of power that is missing in these little Trumppers lives? Is it because it gives the impotent person instant power without working for it?

The connection that seems to elude every gun nut is not one between guns and random sorts of victims or between guns and the mere availability of other types of weapons. It is the connection between a certain kind of gun and a certain kind of killer. Almost every mass killing in the United States is with an AR-15 by a white male under the age of 25, usually under the age of 20. Why is this? With the gun it is because the AR-15 has both repetitive firepower and a great macho look. With the killer it is because 1) he is hungry for that firepower and hungry for that great macho look and 2) as an angry and desperate type of young white male he is uniquely prone to having this hunger.

The highest gun murder rate in the country isn't Chicago, or Los Angeles, or Atlanta, or New York.

It is Jackson, Mississippi.

The state with the highest gun murder rate isn't California, New York, Illinois, or Massachusetts.

It is Alaska.

So I totally get why you want to focus on Chicago, when the real problems are in all the red states and counties with far higher gun death rates than the major cities.

But you never hear about that in the press...

None of that changes what I wrote. Why are those mass killings not reported? My bet is you haven't even asked. You decided that I didn't care about Mississippi because you wanted to believe something about me. I don't care what you think of me. I do care about accuracy. Pretending that those killings in Mississippi are all white guys with AR-15s is also an absurdity. Less than 15% of mass killings are as described in the post I quoted, nothing you posted here changes that. I see you didn't bother correcting the idiot who said that "every mass killing is a white guy with an AR-15"... I think it is because you also want to promote the narrative.

 

[Damocles]

What narrative are you complaining about? I asked questions about why these people do these things, I think its important for us to learn. You claim I am driving a narrative??? Do you not believe it is important to learn why these people do what they do and what the connection is to these specific rifles?

I believe the Gang Killings in Chicago are a very different thing than the mass killings by disturbed white young men. Because they are different things, they need to be studied differently, and have different solutions. Do you not agree?

Can you discuss without simply attacking the person asking the question? Why do these questions set you off so badly? You need to ask yourself why me wanting to study these issues compels you to want to attack me.

No, you agreed with his inaccurate, ignorant, and incompetent narrative that "only white guys with AR-15s" are mass killers, and talked about how we "need to find out why" all while knowing that they are a small amount of mass killings and even of those not all fit that narrative.

Nothing you wrote here changes anything I said. I always expect better and you never fail to disappoint. If you think that my disappointment in your actions is an "attack" then so be it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You said you're a violent person and then you gave yourself an excuse to act violently by placing the blame for your future violence on those who are trying to protect everyone from it.

this is how stupid your position is. It postulates that because someone said they would use violence to protect themselves, you call them inherently violent, then send government agents to attack them, and when violence occurs, you point a finger and say 'see how violent he was?' .............that is what we call tyranny.

 

[LV426]

I didn't say it was right, LV.
I merely said it was fact.

Everything isn't right in America. America is pretty seriously fucked up with no encouraging signs of imminent improvement.
Take off your rose-colored glasses.

Oh, late stage bloody capitalism in democratic decline is Fall of Rome-type shit.

We are just like the waning days of the Roman Empire, but with shittier roads.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

We are just like the waning days of the Roman Empire, but with shittier roads.

So you've noticed, then.

 

[LV426]

It postulates that because someone said they would use violence to protect themselves

NO!

You didn't say you would use violence to "protect yourself", you said you would use violence should gun control be enacted.

you call them inherently violent

YOU are the one who said you are a violent person.

then send government agents to attack them, and when violence occurs, you point a finger and say 'see how violent he was?'

YOU LITERALLY SAID YOU ARE A VIOLENT PERSON.

A violent person doesn't belong in society, they belong in an asylum or prison, and they certainly shouldn't have access to guns.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

YOU LITERALLY SAID YOU ARE A VIOLENT PERSON.

A violent person doesn't belong in society, they belong in an asylum or prison, and they certainly shouldn't have access to guns.

make yourself a sheep and the wolves will eat you. I'd say that the founders knew what they were talking about, but then you'd come back with something like nobody knows what slaveowners from 200 years ago were thinking

 

[LV426]

make yourself a sheep and the wolves will eat you.

It's sad that you think violence is the only way to not make yourself "a sheep".

I'd say that the founders knew what they were talking about

Well you don't know shit about the FF because they've been dead for 200 years, and you've never been educated on them.

but then you'd come back with something like nobody knows what slaveowners from 200 years ago were thinking

Well at least you're acknowledging they're slaveowners...so that's progress.

Could the judgment of people who kept human beings as slaves maybe not be as great as we want to think?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It's sad that you think violence is the only way to not make yourself "a sheep".

what's sad is that you think freedom is being defenseless.......

Well you don't know shit about the FF because they've been dead for 200 years, and you've never been educated on them.

I obviously know volumes more about them than you do BECAUSE i'm educated on them.

Well at least you're acknowledging they're slaveowners...so that's progress.

Could the judgment of people who kept human beings as slaves maybe not be as great as we want to think?

so you're saying that the document that those slaveowners presented to all the people for ratification should be thrown away because they practiced a barbaric custom the ENTIRE WORLD practiced??????