Largest and most successful airlift in history

[Phantasmal]

When he got in he reversed danged near everything, but in this case agreements that had us controlling Kabul (the whole city) not just one airport would be just the beginning.

Controlling Kabul would have required more troops and resulted in more deaths.
Using more airports would have require more troops.

I wish he could have reversed the prisoner release and the fact Trump didn’t include the Afghan government in the talks.

 

[LV426]

Carter inherited a country in stagflation. The inflation was only 18%. The hostage crisis was a horrible ordeal, but Trump’s handling of COVID was far worse than Carter’s hostage crisis or inflation.

Carter had better job growth than Reagan did.

And Stagflation means the economy is growing, but at a slow rate.

That is a lot different from a recession, which is where the economy contracts.

Carter never had a recession, but Reagan had a few of them.

There is no world in which Stagflation is worse than a Recession.

 

[LV426]

When he got in he reversed danged near everything,

Like what?

agreements that had us controlling Kabul (the whole city) not just one airport would be just the beginning.

Trump -NOT BIDEN- was the one who handed Kabul to the Taliban way back in February 2020.

 

[BartenderElite]

No, it really wasn't. Trump was able to remove enough red tape to allow us to get vaccinated in the same year a novel virus appeared (yeah, I was vaccinated in 2020)... That was an actual success. We can rewrite history, but Iran wasn't just the hostages. That pResident tried to overplan a rescue mission that failed so miserably and set us back for quite a long time.

Carter sucked. He sucked so much, that I knew he sucked even through I was literally 9 years old when Reagan was elected. No 9 year old pays that much attention to the news to know that the President needed changing.

Seriously. You can rewrite it in your head as much as you want, but that President sucked so much that a landslide elected a republican just a few short years after the last elected R for that office left in shame.

This "evacuation" isn't a success, it is the leftists trying to polish a turd.

With regulations, Trump did what pretty much any President would do. He did NOT do a good job handling COVID. He was absolutely terrible - mixed messages, downplaying, sowing confusion, creating divisions and needless controversy over common sense measures.

He was abysmal. The worst President we could have had during a pandemic.

 

[Phantasmal]

No, it really wasn't. Trump was able to remove enough red tape to allow us to get vaccinated in the same year a novel virus appeared (yeah, I was vaccinated in 2020)... That was an actual success. We can rewrite history, but Iran wasn't just the hostages. That pResident tried to overplan a rescue mission that failed so miserably and set us back for quite a long time.

Carter sucked. He sucked so much, that I knew he sucked even through I was literally 9 years old when Reagan was elected. No 9 year old pays that much attention to the news to know that the President needed changing.

Seriously. You can rewrite it in your head as much as you want, but that President sucked so much that a landslide elected a republican just a few short years after the last elected R for that office left in shame.

This "evacuation" isn't a success, it is the leftists trying to polish a turd.

We got 120,000 out of Afghanistan, that is a success.

You also rewrite Trump’s dismal COVID response in your head, it was so poor it shocked the world. So you also attempt to polish a turd.

 

[Damocles]

Controlling Kabul would have required more troops and resulted in more deaths.
Using more airports would have require more troops.

I wish he could have reversed the prisoner release and the fact Trump didn’t include the Afghan government in the talks.

No, it would have resulted in less deaths, because there would have been more people successfully reaching the airport. But again, this was just a beginning.

The original agreement has an interim government, that this pResident failed to even try to implement because he chose to ignore the earlier agreements.

If you are going to ignore earlier agreements then slow down and make new ones, do it right, act in good faith, do not tell people that they are not in danger and that the Taliban will not take over the government then fail to deliver on that promise and get folks killed. Do not ignore agreements, reverse decisions, then pretend that it was the other person's fault even when you pretend you are claiming responsibility for the debacle.

This was Biden's failure, all of it. Every single death is on his plate, not on Trump.

 

[Damocles]

We got 120,000 out of Afghanistan, that is a success.

You also rewrite Trump’s dismal COVID response in your head, it was so poor it shocked the world. So you also attempt to polish a turd.

Success would have been a withdrawal, not a desperate emergency evacuation leaving behind thousands of our allies and Americans as hostages in hostile territory. Telling folks that we had the "most ever desperate evacuation flights leaving Afghanistan like we stole the crown jewels" is not a success story, it is an admittance of total and abject failure to plan and do this right.

This was not a success.

And again, it is not me rewriting Trump's Covid response. I know when I got vaccinated, that was success. He was horrible at communication. IMO he was the worst we ever had at it... however the actual actions held up to reality told me a different story than the one that MSDNC told you.

 

[BartenderElite]

Success would have been a withdrawal, not a desperate emergency evacuation leaving behind thousands of our allies and Americans as hostages in hostile territory.

This was not a success.

And again, it is not me rewriting Trump's Covid response. I know when I got vaccinated, that was success. He was horrible at communication. IMO he was the worse we ever had at it...

There was never ANY getting out of Afghanistan clean. Every President knew this. Biden had the courage to do it.

You're wrong. History will judge him properly - as the leader who finally ended an unwinnable conflict.

 

[Damocles]

There was never ANY getting out of Afghanistan clean. Every President knew this. Biden had the courage to do it.

You're wrong. History will judge him properly - as the leader who finally ended an unwinnable conflict.

There was certainly getting out of Afghanistan better than this though. Also, pretending that the plan he would not follow is the reason he sucked and then saying that "nobody else would even have done it" is a bit oxymoronic and massively hypocritical.

The reality is, this was wasn't a withdrawal, it was a desperate retreat due to this pResident's mismanagement. Then when it became clear that it wasn't working, instead of acting on that new information he doubled down and made it suck worse.

Everything he said up until the last flight finally left was a lie. He told folks there was "no circumstance" where the Taliban would take over, he lied, he said he would get every American out, he lied. He said he would get out the allies that helped our military, he lied...

Biden lied, and many are dying because of it.

This pResident's poor planning and lies have created an ongoing massacre.

 

[BartenderElite]

There was certainly getting out of Afghanistan better than this though. Also, pretending that the plan he would not follow is the reason he sucked and then saying that "nobody else would even have done it" is a bit oxymoronic and massively hypocritical.

The reality is, this was wasn't a withdrawal, it was a desperate retreat due to this pResident's mismanagement. Then when it became clear that it wasn't working, instead of acting on that new information he doubled down and made it suck worse.

Everything he said up until the last flight finally left was a lie. He told folks there was "no circumstance" where the Taliban would take over, he lied, he said he would get every American out, he lied. He said he would get out the allies that helped our military, he lied...

Biden lied, and many are dying because of it.

This pResident's poor planning and lies have created an ongoing massacre.

That's a very extreme characterization.

No matter when we left, it would have been messy. That's just the way it is w/ that country, and was w/ the Soviets as well. It sucks. I wish nothing but better outcomes & a brighter future for Afghanistan, and I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Like a commentator I heard say, they're really still in the middle ages. That's just something they have to pull themselves out of - it's not something we can assist with.

Given the circumstances, the # of people we got out of there is nothing short of a miracle. Of course it wasn't perfect, and was far from that. It was never going to be good.

 

[Phantasmal]

No, it would have resulted in less deaths, because there would have been more people successfully reaching the airport. But again, this was just a beginning.

The original agreement has an interim government, that this pResident failed to even try to implement because he chose to ignore the earlier agreements.

If you are going to ignore earlier agreements then slow down and make new ones, do it right, act in good faith, do not tell people that they are not in danger and that the Taliban will not take over the government then fail to deliver on that promise and get folks killed. Do not ignore agreements, reverse decisions, then pretend that it was the other person's fault even when you pretend you are claiming responsibility for the debacle.

This was Biden's failure, all of it. Every single death is on his plate, not on Trump.

Lol, you have no way to know it would result in fewer deaths, it could have resulted in more suicide bombers.

Trump is the one who ignored previous agreements and the actual Afghan government and brokered a deal with the Taliban that diminished the Afghan government and demoralized the Afghan forces who felt Taliban take over was inevitable and backed by Trump.

The Trump administration reduced troops at a faster level than he originally planned all the while ignoring the Taliban while they took control of Afghanistan.

 

[Darth Omar]

There was never ANY getting out of Afghanistan clean. Every President knew this. Biden had the courage to do it.

You're wrong. History will judge him properly - as the leader who finally ended an unwinnable conflict.

There was always a plan to it better.

Evacuate citizens and Afghan interpreters, don’t leave Bagram until you’re done evacuating and the military shuts the door on the way out.

 

[Darth Omar]

Lol, you have no way to know it would result in fewer deaths, it could have resulted in more suicide bombers.

Trump is the one who ignored previous agreements and the actual Afghan government and brokered a deal with the Taliban that diminished the Afghan government and demoralized the Afghan forces who felt Taliban take over was inevitable and backed by Trump.

The Trump administration reduced troops at a faster level than he originally planned all the while ignoring the Taliban while they took control of Afghanistan.

Trump.

 

[Matt Dillon]

What did he reverse that Trump did?

The D agreement. Wait one..Doha.

Here it is: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Biden's speech pre-situation going tits up:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...dent-biden-on-the-way-forward-in-afghanistan/

And another link for context, it's biased towards the left, but all the facts are there.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

 

[Phantasmal]

Success would have been a withdrawal, not a desperate emergency evacuation leaving behind thousands of our allies and Americans as hostages in hostile territory. Telling folks that we had the "most ever desperate evacuation flights leaving Afghanistan like we stole the crown jewels" is not a success story, it is an admittance of total and abject failure to plan and do this right.

This was not a success.

And again, it is not me rewriting Trump's Covid response. I know when I got vaccinated, that was success. He was horrible at communication. IMO he was the worst we ever had at it... however the actual actions held up to reality told me a different story than the one that MSDNC told you.

The evacuation was eventually a success and Trump failed miserably at his COViD response, he made his supporters think it was a hoax and that the vaccine was as well. His response still fails a third of the nation. He didn’t do testing and tracing, he made states compete for supplies and he had no distribution plan other than getting vaccines to the states. Trump failed miserably.

 

[cawacko]

Look at this little lying piece of shit, afraid to respond directly to me but always lurking in the background reading my shit and sucking the dick of anyone it perceives to get the better of me.

Eh, again, don't flatter yourself dude.

For starters you do the same thing; either respond to people who respond to me or make comments about me ("deplorables who post Willie Brown columns") and you don't see my crying about it; it is what it is

And yes, I thought Damo's comment was great. He made a similar comment in another thread and I complimented it as well. Not being a Trump or Biden voter I don't feel the need to defend every single one of their actions and thus found his post rather humorous to see people on the left using Trump techniques. Sorry it offends you.

 

[Cypress]

Eh, again, don't flatter yourself dude.

For starters you do the same thing; either respond to people who respond to me or make comments about me ("deplorables who post Willie Brown columns") and you don't see my crying about it; it is what it is

And yes, I thought Damo's comment was great. He made a similar comment in another thread and I complimented it as well. Not being a Trump or Biden voter I don't feel the need to defend every single one of their actions and thus found his post rather humorous to see people on the left using Trump techniques. Sorry it offends you.

Why don't you stop lurking me, Motherfucker.

I have no interest in interaction of any sort with a liar like you. Your writing was always tepid and boring, and your lack of character and honor makes you uniquely intolerable.

Why do you not just stop reading and lurking me, piece of shit?

 

[Damocles]

Lol, you have no way to know it would result in fewer deaths, it could have resulted in more suicide bombers.

Trump is the one who ignored previous agreements and the actual Afghan government and brokered a deal with the Taliban that diminished the Afghan government and demoralized the Afghan forces who felt Taliban take over was inevitable and backed by Trump.

The Trump administration reduced troops at a faster level than he originally planned all the while ignoring the Taliban while they took control of Afghanistan.

Yet you pretend to "know" that it would cause more deaths. The reality is, not one single military personnel was killed for over a year, then Biden came along. What it may have done, is caused this pResident to take the time to actually plan this instead of lying about contingencies and not preparing for anything at all. One thing that we all know, Afghanis falling thousands of feet to their deaths after they tried to ride the outside of an airplane is what you are calling "success", that is not even close to success. That shows how catastrophically out of control this retreat really was. We don't even know the folks we actually got out of there. One thing we know is that every single thing that pResident promised us was a flat lie. Desperately filling planes with random people to break a record on desperate emergency evacuation flights is not a plan, it was not a contingency plan, and it was not success.

He said he would get every American out, he did not. He said he would get out our allies that helped us, he did not. He said that the Taliban would not take over, they did, he said that they would not start killing folks, they did...

Every breath this man takes to speak is preparation to read a lie from his teleprompter.

 

[Phantasmal]

Yet you pretend to "know" that it would cause more deaths. The reality is, not one single military personnel was killed for over a year, then Biden came along. What it may have done, is caused this pResident to take the time to actually plan this instead of lying about contingencies and not preparing for anything at all. One thing that we all know, Afghanis falling thousands of feet to their deaths after they tried to ride the outside of an airplane is what you are calling "success", that is not even close to success. That shows how catastrophically out of control this retreat really was. We don't even know the folks we actually got out of there. One thing we know is that every single thing that pResident promised us was a flat lie.

He said he would get every American out, he did not. He said he would get out our allies that helped us, he did not. He said that the Taliban would not take over, they did, he said that they would not start killing folks, they did...

Every breath this man takes to speak is preparation to read a lie from his teleprompter.

You pretend it would save lives, so, I guess we’re both pretending and don’t actually know.

He is still working on getting People out, he has not quit.

Biden is a very honest man by political standards. He doesn’t intentionally lie. Situations change and neither of us are privy to his intelligence.

The evacuation was a success, it had its problems, but it got a lot of people out of Afghanistan.

Thanks President Biden for getting us out of Afghanistan.

 

[cawacko]

Why don't you stop lurking me, Motherfucker.

I have no interest in interaction of any sort with a liar like you. Your writing was always tepid and boring, and your lack of character and honor makes you uniquely intolerable.

Why do you not just stop reading and lurking me, piece of shit?

You take yourself way too seriously. Other than now, and that's because you addressed me, I don't respond to you. Nor did I respond to you earlier, I responded to Damo's post because it was pretty damn funny.

So cuss at me all you want but you're the one all bent out of shape after you responded to me.