Kyle Rittenhouse

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Wrong as usual. The video's entail an on-going verbal exchange with Rittenhouse retreating AFTER the first shot, then the subsequent shooting. NO video of the initial confrontation with said victim(s). If you got it, show it. If not, spare us all the lame stalling tactics.

There is. RQAA.

Spare us all this lame ass RQAA squawk of yours....you resort to that whenever you can't logically or factually support your blather.

The burden of proof is on you, Squawky.If you got it, show it. If not, spare us all the lame stalling tactics.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Wrong. He was life guard....NOT A CERTIFIED EMT. If you have facts to the contrary, produce them. If not, don't keep squawking a lie.

Semantics fallacy. Strawman fallacy.

Sorry to inform you Squawky, but a kid doing lifeguard summer duty or at an indoor pool CPR is NOT an EMT (emergency medical technician)....that requires training and licensing/certification registered by local & state government. A matter of history, a matter of fact ... your acknowledgement of such is irrelevant. So once again, your little tag phrases reveal your intellectual impotency.

Since you can't produce facts to the contrary, that makes you like your hero Rittenhouse ... a straw man fallacy.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And if junior's mommy didn't drive the little shyte over the state line, there would be no need for prosecution, now would there, Squawky? You keep implying that it was his right to get illegally armed and become an antagonistic figure in a volitile situation. Oh yes, you can do as you please....just have the cojones to accept the consequences your actions.

I didn't know this was a democrat vs. republican thing. Hmmm, seems you alt-right rummies really believe you are the GOP running things. Sad.

It's a Democrat vs. Conservative thing.

There is no need for prosecution. Self defense is not a crime.

You can parrot your first line until doomsday, Squawky....it won't magically become true...just look at the recent Republicans who go off the reservation to vote against Trumpism of the GOP.

Your second line is sheer nonsense....a mental fart that does not deal with reality or the facts referred to previously.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Vigilante - : a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

Rittenhouse was NOT a member or any Wisconsin volunteer committee...he was not a resident of the State. He showed up uninvited and inserted himself into a volitile situation as a self appointed doer of justice.

Now, let's see you BS your way pass this matter of history/fact regarding this episode.

He doesn't have to be invited. He is allowed to travel to Wisconsin. Self defense is not a crime. Carrying a gun is not a crime.

You're not stupid, just insipidly stubborn. You keep parroting moot points and generalities in an attempt to gloss over the pertinent facts:

1 - showing up in a public disturbance armed, not belonging to any organized group recognized by local police or businesses and claiming to be there to "help" is being a self appointed doer of justice.

2. - you can travel anywhere you want....it's what you do when you arrive at your destination that counts. Junior was transported with intent to be a vigilante.

3. - the trial is to determine if it was "self defense" when you are illegally carrying a weapon, pretending to have EMT experience and being an antagonistic figure (para-military dress) in a potentially volatile situation. Who started the fateful confrontation is the key, and NO physical evidence (video) shows this. I've asked you and your cronies time and again to ante up the video to this effect...all you do is blow smoke and show AFTERWARDS material.

4. Please go read the Wisconsin law statute regarding who is legal to own/carry weapons and such. If you don't have the intellectual honesty or courage to do so, I will embarrass you and present for the readers to see just what an alt-right wonk you are.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Vigilante - : a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

Rittenhouse was NOT a member or any Wisconsin volunteer committee...he was not a resident of the State. He showed up uninvited and inserted himself into a volitile situation as a self appointed doer of justice.

Now, let's see you BS your way pass this matter of history/fact regarding this episode.

Here we go with the uninvited shit again...

translation: another alt-right wonk who can't handle simple logic. Okay genius, once more for the intellectually impotent:

You show up from another state, get an assault weapon that you are not legally allowed to have in that state, dress up in pseudo-paramilitary garb, strap on a first aid kit, then enter an area of civil unrest, professing to volunteer assistance with defense of business and home owners. You belong to no local organization nor do you align yourself with one, and you're not approved by local law enforcement to take such a position.


Then you get into an altercation that results in you killing two people and wounding another.....a situation that WOULD NOT have happened if junior had kept his Turner Diaries fantasy at home in his own state, fuming and fussing at the TV. No one asked junior to show up as he did ... he became a self appointed doer of justice.

As I always say, you are entitled to free speech, and in this case free action....but you are not immune from the consequences of said speech or action.

 

[RB 60]

translation: another alt-right wonk who can't handle simple logic. Okay genius, once more for the intellectually impotent:

You show up from another state, get an assault weapon that you are not legally allowed to have in that state, dress up in pseudo-paramilitary garb, strap on a first aid kit, then enter an area of civil unrest, professing to volunteer assistance with defense of business and home owners. You belong to no local organization nor do you align yourself with one, and you're not approved by local law enforcement to take such a position.


Then you get into an altercation that results in you killing two people and wounding another.....a situation that WOULD NOT have happened if junior had kept his Turner Diaries fantasy at home in his own state, fuming and fussing at the TV. No one asked junior to show up as he did ... he became a self appointed doer of justice.

As I always say, you are entitled to free speech, and in this case free action....but you are not immune from the consequences of said speech or action.

Enough with the psychobabble. When were invitations sent out? Who got them? There isn't any such thing as he was uninvited.

 

[ExpressLane]

You're not stupid, just insipidly stubborn. You keep parroting moot points and generalities in an attempt to gloss over the pertinent facts:

1 - showing up in a public disturbance armed, not belonging to any organized group recognized by local police or businesses and claiming to be there to "help" is being a self appointed doer of justice.

2. - you can travel anywhere you want....it's what you do when you arrive at your destination that counts. Junior was transported with intent to be a vigilante.

3. - the trial is to determine if it was "self defense" when you are illegally carrying a weapon, pretending to have EMT experience and being an antagonistic figure (para-military dress) in a potentially volatile situation. Who started the fateful confrontation is the key, and NO physical evidence (video) shows this. I've asked you and your cronies time and again to ante up the video to this effect...all you do is blow smoke and show AFTERWARDS material.

4. Please go read the Wisconsin law statute regarding who is legal to own/carry weapons and such. If you don't have the intellectual honesty or courage to do so, I will embarrass you and present for the readers to see just what an alt-right wonk you are.

You think Rosenbaum , Huber, and Grosskreutz got invitations? Who sent them out? If they had stayed home and minded their own business no one would have got shot. Rittenhouse's father lives in Kenosha so Kyle has the same right to be there as anyone. Rosenbaum started this mess by threatening to kill him and trying to take Kyle's gun .

 

[anonymoose]

Prosecutors want jury to consider lesser charges in U.S. teen Rittenhouse's murder trial

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 11 (Reuters) - Prosecutors in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse said they would seek approval for the jury to consider lesser charges after days of testimony in which considerable evidence was presented in the U.S. teenager's argument that he acted in self-defense.

Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney James Kraus said he planned to ask the judge to allow the jury to consider lesser charges

Prosecutors have sought to paint Rittenhouse as a vigilante who carried an assault-style weapon into a volatile melee and wanted to use it, but a series of witnesses have offered testimony about the threats posed to the teenager that night.

Michael F. Hart, a criminal defense lawyer in Milwaukee who has monitored the nearly two-week trial, said he could not recall a witness who was harmful to Rittenhouse's argument of self-defense. He said the prosecution's request, which must be approved by the judge, was not unusual in homicide cases.

"I'm not surprised the state requested lesser included instructions," Hart said. "They recognize that their case had some shortcomings.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pr...er-trial-tangles-again-with-judge-2021-11-11/

posted without comment.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Prosecutors want jury to consider lesser charges in U.S. teen Rittenhouse's murder trial

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 11 (Reuters) - Prosecutors in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse said they would seek approval for the jury to consider lesser charges after days of testimony in which considerable evidence was presented in the U.S. teenager's argument that he acted in self-defense.

Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney James Kraus said he planned to ask the judge to allow the jury to consider lesser charges

Prosecutors have sought to paint Rittenhouse as a vigilante who carried an assault-style weapon into a volatile melee and wanted to use it, but a series of witnesses have offered testimony about the threats posed to the teenager that night.

Michael F. Hart, a criminal defense lawyer in Milwaukee who has monitored the nearly two-week trial, said he could not recall a witness who was harmful to Rittenhouse's argument of self-defense. He said the prosecution's request, which must be approved by the judge, was not unusual in homicide cases.

"I'm not surprised the state requested lesser included instructions," Hart said. "They recognize that their case had some shortcomings.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pr...er-trial-tangles-again-with-judge-2021-11-11/

posted without comment.

Agreed. There's enough reasonable doubt on the "self-defense" defense to drive a truck through.

OTOH, Kyle appears to clearly be guilty of all the lesser charges, the worst of which is endangering innocent people. He could easily end up with a 10-15 year sentence on those charges alone.

FWIW, I'm happy with Kyle getting off on "self-defense". Grosskreutz's mistake was hesitating to shoot Kyle with lawful use of deadly force. All Americans take heed of the mistake and do not hesitate next time in shooting down an active shooting terrorist/white supremacist militia member.

When it comes to terrorists, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Kill all TERRORISTS.

 

[Into the Night]

So many have not the least interest in reality, as you know Brother!

This kind of hate ignores what is. These people hate so much they are willing to kill. They are willing to riot, loot, burn, and pillage if Kyle walks free.

 

[Into the Night]

Sooooo...borders don't matter? Do you favor open borders?

Contextomy fallacy. Pivot fallacy. Try to stay on topic.

 

[Into the Night]

use deadly force to protect property.

Deadly force is authorized to protect property. Self defense is legal.

 

[Into the Night]

and shot three white guys instead. LOL

Agreed, but it appears protecting property is not justification for using deadly force in Wisconsin.

Which begs the question "Why were they inserting themselves into the violence?" The Kenosha PD looks like a bunch of racist hillbillies.

Kyle has the right to travel where he wishes. The Kenosha PD was stationed at positions to try to contain the violence somewhat. They didn't have enough manpower to stop the violence.

Racism. Bigotry. Inversion fallacy. Discard of the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Translation: I only support borders that I like.

Got it. Thanks.

Strawman fallacy. Pivot fallacy. Omniscience fallacy. You do not get to speak for anyone else but you.

 

[Into the Night]

Good question. It appears the Kenosha Police Chief was a crook and resigned before he lost his pension.

I've been saying for months now that the radical Right will murder more Americans so you'll get your wish for more dead Americans laying in American streets.

Self defense is legal. That includes defense of property, defense against bodily harm, defense of family, and defense of the community.

 

[Into the Night]

translation: Squawker cannot factually prove me wrong, as he has NO CLUE regarding Wisconsin law in this matter, nor can he produce the link to the sections in the law that backs his claim. Typical intellectual impotency of a right wing blow hard.

Already produced the reference. So have others. RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Spare us all this lame ass RQAA squawk of yours....you resort to that whenever you can't logically or factually support your blather.

The burden of proof is on you, Squawky.If you got it, show it. If not, spare us all the lame stalling tactics.

RQAA. You can't wish the evidence away, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Sorry to inform you Squawky, but a kid doing lifeguard summer duty or at an indoor pool CPR is NOT an EMT (emergency medical technician)....that requires training and licensing/certification registered by local & state government. A matter of history, a matter of fact ... your acknowledgement of such is irrelevant. So once again, your little tag phrases reveal your intellectual impotency.

Since you can't produce facts to the contrary, that makes you like your hero Rittenhouse ... a straw man fallacy.

Strawman fallacy. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You can parrot your first line until doomsday, Squawky....it won't magically become true...just look at the recent Republicans who go off the reservation to vote against Trumpism of the GOP.

Your second line is sheer nonsense....a mental fart that does not deal with reality or the facts referred to previously.

Discard of Wisconsin law, the Constitution of the State of Wisconsin, and the Constitution of the United States.
Buzzword fallacies. Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You keep parroting moot points and generalities in an attempt to gloss over the pertinent facts:

Inversion fallacy.

1 - showing up in a public disturbance armed, not belonging to any organized group recognized by local police or businesses and claiming to be there to "help" is being a self appointed doer of justice.

He doesn't have to belong to any group. He has the right to travel where he wants. He has the right to carry a gun. He has the right of self defense. He did not initiate any confrontation.

2. - you can travel anywhere you want....it's what you do when you arrive at your destination that counts. Junior was transported with intent to be a vigilante.

He did not initiate any confrontation.

3. - the trial is to determine if it was "self defense" when you are illegally carrying a weapon, pretending to have EMT experience and being an antagonistic figure (para-military dress) in a potentially volatile situation. Who started the fateful confrontation is the key, and NO physical evidence (video) shows this. I've asked you and your cronies time and again to ante up the video to this effect...all you do is blow smoke and show AFTERWARDS material.

It is legal to carry a weapon. He did not start any confrontation. RQAA. Denying the evidence does not make it go away.

4. Please go read the Wisconsin law statute regarding who is legal to own/carry weapons and such.

RQAA

If you don't have the intellectual honesty or courage to do so, I will embarrass you and present for the readers to see just what an alt-right wonk you are.

Going to go for your special pleading fallacy again? Quoting sections of law is not the entire law, dumbass.