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DNC said:
Very relevant; proves that rightwingers cling to their guns and fantasize about armed rebellion since they can't steal any more elections.
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totally irrelevant and nothing more than the imaginings of a liberal psycho.


DNC said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?ref=opinion
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case in point.

you're posting nothing more than the intentional ramblings of desperate liberals and socialists to paint supporters of the constitution in the mold of wingnuts like the koresh crew in waco in the hopes of stirring up the fears of an ignorant populace so that they'll demand further action the 'militia movement'. It backfired on clinton and it will backfire on you. The only difference this time is that there will be more people ready to fire back.
 
Did you have a "Charlton Heston is My President" sticker on your pick-em-up truck?

The writers of the Constitution did not mean the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for their personal use; the 2nd Amendment was to protect the new country from invasion.


Do you really think that a bunch of yahoos like you with shotguns, rifles and handguns are going to stop a military force from doing what ever it damn well pleases?

Unless you have the weaponry needed to take out tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters and low flying aircraft, and the organizational structure needed to coordinate the use of said weaponry, you might as well stay home and surrender.
 
DNC said:
Did you have a "Charlton Heston is My President" sticker on your pick-em-up truck?
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if all you have are ad hominen attacks based on profiles of ignorance, you're doomed.

DNC said:
The writers of the Constitution did not mean the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for their personal use; the 2nd Amendment was to protect the new country from invasion.
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you're not intelligent enough on constitutional matters to discuss why the 2nd Amendment was penned. If you were intelligent enough, you'd know that it wasn't based on the brits reinvading, or any other nation for that matter.

DNC said:
Do you really think that a bunch of yahoos like you with shotguns, rifles and handguns are going to stop a military force from doing what ever it damn well pleases?
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yes I do and if you'd like, i'll write out my whole disseration on how a guerilla war would be carried out against a standing army, even ours.

DNC said:
Unless you have the weaponry needed to take out tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters and low flying aircraft, and the organizational structure needed to coordinate the use of said weaponry, you might as well stay home and surrender.
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you're clearly the submissive sort. I bet you'd even watch your daughter get raped rather than resort to violence to stop it.
 
DNC said:
Do you really think that a bunch of yahoos like you with shotguns, rifles and handguns are going to stop a military force from doing what ever it damn well pleases?

Unless you have the weaponry needed to take out tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters and low flying aircraft, and the organizational structure needed to coordinate the use of said weaponry, you might as well stay home and surrender.
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That's probably similar to what the Brits thought......No way a bunch of rag-tag immigrants can defeat such a well-organized army like ours....
 
Don't have a daughter. Anyone who possesses reasonable reading comprehension cannot mistake the intention of the 2nd Amendment. Unless, of course, they are rabid gun lovers.

Many men think of guns as an extension of their masculinity. Losing the right to own and shoot guns is like depriving them through castration. This applies also to Supreme Court justices. This cultural and biological attraction to guns is sickening in the light of the facts. Guns in the household are many times more likely to be used to kill someone who lives in that household than an intruder. Guns are tools for carrying out impulsive killing and ideally suited for committing crimes and suicide. They are a disgrace to our society.

To those cynical gun lovers, I say to you, at least be honest and stop misreading the Constitution, that is, if your reading comprehension is good enough. Owning and keeping arms in the home is not mentioned at all in the 2nd Amendment. If you think that is what it guarantees, you are stupid or dishonest or fanatical, or any combination of these.

Keep in mind, testosterone monkeys: "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword."

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DNC said:
Don't have a daughter. Anyone who possesses reasonable reading comprehension cannot mistake the intention of the 2nd Amendment. Unless, of course, they are rabid gun lovers.
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little troll, your ignorance is glaring.

I ask you to show me one single shred of 18th century evidence that documents proof positive that the 2nd Amendment was intended for anything other than people owning any and all military arms.

you cannot, or will not, because none exists. It doesn't exist because everyone KNEW that the 2nd Amendment was written to ensure that all free people had access to firearms, not to prevent an outside invasion, but to retain their freedom from a potentially oppressive government.
 
I know I have you when you start calling me troll.

The 2nd Amendment was written for a specific purpose… here's what it says:

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

I always get in trouble for this but I have got to say it again. The writers of the Constitution did not add the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for personal use.

Here's three "freedoms" that have limitations and nobody is upset by them.

Speech - It's controlled. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. No one goes crazy about that limitation.
Press - You can't libel someone. another limitation.
Vote - You can't if you don't register or are a felon.

OK - let's say everyone has the right to carry the very best quality weapons from 1783. I believe the Kentucky long rifle was the height of weaponry at the time, so let it be the top available arm now.

Likewise, the right to carry concealed arms should be adjusted. Make them unconcealed. Anybody who wants to carry must wear a holster. Of course, I would require said holster needs to be high visibility pink so that I can see it at 200 yards. That should take care of the macho crowd who compensate for other short-comings by packing.

If the 2nd amendment is to honored as originally written, let it be so.
 
DNC said:
I know I have you when you start calling me troll.

The 2nd Amendment was written for a specific purpose… here's what it says:

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

I always get in trouble for this but I have got to say it again. The writers of the Constitution did not add the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for personal use.

Here's three "freedoms" that have limitations and nobody is upset by them.

Speech - It's controlled. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. No one goes crazy about that limitation.
Press - You can't libel someone. another limitation.
Vote - You can't if you don't register or are a felon.

OK - let's say everyone has the right to carry the very best quality weapons from 1783. I believe the Kentucky long rifle was the height of weaponry at the time, so let it be the top available arm now.

Likewise, the right to carry concealed arms should be adjusted. Make them unconcealed. Anybody who wants to carry must wear a holster. Of course, I would require said holster needs to be high visibility pink so that I can see it at 200 yards. That should take care of the macho crowd who compensate for other short-comings by packing.

If the 2nd amendment is to honored as originally written, let it be so.
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Not bad for a troll ;)

not that I agree with much of it, but well done.
 
DNC said:
The 2nd Amendment was written for a specific purpose… here's what it says:

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

I always get in trouble for this but I have got to say it again. The writers of the Constitution did not add the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for personal use.
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every free citizen is a member of that well regulated militia, so how is it that you interpret it to mean civilians have no right to arms?

DNC said:
Speech - It's controlled. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. No one goes crazy about that limitation.
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I sure do have that right. If there is a fire, do I have to whisper fire?
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Press - You can't libel someone. another limitation.
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libel and slander are not terms of free speech.
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Vote - You can't if you don't register or are a felon.
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I don't see those as limitations. any citizen can register to vote and it costs nothing. felons can't vote because they lost that right when they were convicted. 5th Amendment much?

DNC said:
OK - let's say everyone has the right to carry the very best quality weapons from 1783. I believe the Kentucky long rifle was the height of weaponry at the time, so let it be the top available arm now.
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then computers, internet, etc. etc. another bullshit argument and it shows you're reaching. The right to arms includes modern arms equal to those any soldier would carry.

DNC said:
Likewise, the right to carry concealed arms should be adjusted. Make them unconcealed. Anybody who wants to carry must wear a holster.
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good god, can an agreement be made between us? I hate concealed carry myself.

DNC said:
Of course, I would require said holster needs to be high visibility pink so that I can see it at 200 yards. That should take care of the macho crowd who compensate for other short-comings by packing.
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what shortcomings would you be referring to?

DNC said:
If the 2nd amendment is to honored as originally written, let it be so.
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then I can have my M16, thanks.
 
Strikes me as odd how people who call themselves “strict constructionists” on social issues completely abandon their own Constitutional philosophy when it comes to firearms. When the Second Amendment was written, “arms” referred to swords and muskets.

I bet most gunlovers live in rural or suburban areas where gun crime is rare and inflict their views on city dwellers who actually experience gun violence.
 
DNC said:
Strikes me as odd how people who call themselves “strict constructionists” on social issues completely abandon their own Constitutional philosophy when it comes to firearms. When the Second Amendment was written, “arms” referred to swords and muskets.
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and free speech meant nothing but a soap box and manually printed flyers, right? again, you're reaching for a bullshit argument that's full of holes.
The Second Amendment was written to prevent ANY infringement on the populaces right to be as equally armed as their standing military. read history if you don't believe me.

DNC said:
I bet most gunlovers live in rural or suburban areas where gun crime is rare and inflict their views on city dwellers who actually experience gun violence.
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this is the city dwellers fault for believing that the police will be there to protect you. gun violence can, and does, happen anywhere. It's more prevelant in urban settings because of population density and that is all.

If you don't want to be a victim of gun violence, either move out of the city (which provides no guarantee) or build a wall around your city, house the military inside, and do daily sweeps for guns.
 
So you claim you have the right to own the same weapons as the military?
 
Even in Tex-Ass tetosterone cowboys aren't allowed to own many kinds of weapons. David Koresh found out the hard way.
 
DNC said:
Even in Tex-Ass tetosterone cowboys aren't allowed to own many kinds of weapons. David Koresh found out the hard way.
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if you're referring to machine guns or grenades, you have no clue of the gun laws in this country.

It is perfectly legal to own a machine gun. There are currently some unconstitutional stipulations on them, but in today's sheepish culture, politicians and courts get away with enforcing these infringements.

Let me repeat that for you. It is perfectly legal to own a machine gun in this country.

and do you know what Koresh's supposed crime was?
 
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