Judge says 2-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported with ‘no meaningful process’ The girl was deported Friday with her mother to Honduras,

Maybe mom wanted the child to remain with her.
If that was so, then the mother should have been given access to the courts to argue that. She was not given access to the courts at all, so we will never know what she wanted. She would not have the right to just kidnap the child and bring the child abroad.

There were two custodial parents, one definitely wanted the child to stay, and the other was kept from saying anything by the trump administration. That made the kidnapping illegal.
 
She was deported per the law.
She was deported as an enemy combatant... Does anyone here really believe she was part of some foreign army? Her daughter was likewise considered an enemy combatant... Do you think this foreign army has 2 year olds as soldiers?
 
A two year old child does not have that sort of freedom, even when not in custody. This is a two year old child in custody, so even less freedom than a normal two year old child.
Well, the government could have stuck the child in a government run orphanage or equivalent separating him/her from the mother...
 
Oh, the appeal to pity fallacy. The parents are in the US illegally. Their children are US citizens. You get your choice of one of the following:

1. Deport the parents and have their children go with them, keeping the family intact. The children can always come back to the US when they become of age.

2. Deport the parents and put the children in an orphanage or other government run home for parentless children. This way the children, who are citizens, aren't deported while their criminal parents are.

Criminal activity should not be rewarded.
A perfect example of how T.A. is unable to do any complex problem solving since he only sees to choices to solve a problem.
 
A two year old child does not have that sort of freedom, even when not in custody. This is a two year old child in custody, so even less freedom than a normal two year old child.

The mother wanted the kid to go with her. End of story.
 
That is a really good question. So why is the Trump administration doing deportation hearings for children without a parent or a lawyer present?

Why are we doing deportation hearings for small children at all? Aren't they better off simply being wards of their parents and kept with the parents, and if those parents are criminal, illegal, aliens isn't it best that a child born in the US is sent with them on their deportation? The child can always return to the US later in life when they reach adulthood and can make decisions for themselves.
 
Okay, what's your solution that doesn't reward criminal activity?
First of all you need to understand what criminal activity actually is. It means you have to violate a criminal statute.
Violating a civil statute is not a crime and can't be described as criminal activity so your premise starts out with a falsehood.

But when it comes to deportations and children there are more than 2 choices.

There is choice number 3 that you seem to be ignorant of. The child stays in the US with a relative. Now do you see how 2 choices are not all there are to the problem?

Now can you think of any other choices? Or are you unable to get past two?
 
Why are we doing deportation hearings for small children at all? Aren't they better off simply being wards of their parents and kept with the parents, and if those parents are criminal, illegal, aliens isn't it best that a child born in the US is sent with them on their deportation? The child can always return to the US later in life when they reach adulthood and can make decisions for themselves.
Obviously you didn't follow the link or read the story. You might want to do that before you make yourself look even more foolish.
 
First of all you need to understand what criminal activity actually is. It means you have to violate a criminal statute.
Violating a civil statute is not a crime and can't be described as criminal activity so your premise starts out with a falsehood.

But when it comes to deportations and children there are more than 2 choices.

There is choice number 3 that you seem to be ignorant of. The child stays in the US with a relative. Now do you see how 2 choices are not all there are to the problem?

Now can you think of any other choices? Or are you unable to get past two?
What if there are no immediate US relatives? Why should the US go looking for a US relative? That's akin to the parents (both US citizens) getting divorced and the court handing their US citizen children over to a relative with the parents having no visitation rights. How insane is that?
 
What if there are no immediate US relatives?
That means you at least checked.

Why should the US go looking for a US relative?
Why do you have to go looking for them. Don't you have a person in custody that can tell you if you bother to ask?
That's akin to the parents (both US citizens) getting divorced and the court handing their US citizen children over to a relative with the parents having no visitation rights. How insane is that?
It is nothing like that. The court isn't the one handing them over to begin with. The court would be doing what is best for the child based on the facts and the guardians wishes. Children in the US are often raised by relatives because the parents are incapable of unable to raise them.

Your simple logic seems to be that if the parents are sent to jail then the best thing for the child is to go to jail with them otherwise the court is just handing them over to someone else and the parents have no visitation rights. Do you see how insane your argument is?
 
That means you at least checked.


Why do you have to go looking for them. Don't you have a person in custody that can tell you if you bother to ask?

It is nothing like that. The court isn't the one handing them over to begin with. The court would be doing what is best for the child based on the facts and the guardians wishes. Children in the US are often raised by relatives because the parents are incapable of unable to raise them.

Your simple logic seems to be that if the parents are sent to jail then the best thing for the child is to go to jail with them otherwise the court is just handing them over to someone else and the parents have no visitation rights. Do you see how insane your argument is?
So, your solution says that it's more important that a child who is a US citizen be kept in the US than with their parents--eg., family separation--even if that means placing that child with a relative, they've never met or lived with before. I thought you were against family separation.
 
So, your solution says that it's more important that a child who is a US citizen be kept in the US than with their parents--eg., family separation--even if that means placing that child with a relative, they've never met or lived with before. I thought you were against family separation.
No. It seems reading is becoming harder and harder for you. Do you not know that parents are considered guardians of their children? Now reread my post and stop trying to make stupid arguments.
 

The girl was deported Friday with her mother to Honduras, despite her father’s efforts to keep her in the United States.
An ICE agent monitors hundreds of asylum seekers.


The child had been with her mother and sister during a regular immigration check-in at the New Orleans office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Tuesday. | David Dee Delgado/Getty Images

A federal judge is raising alarms that the Trump administration deported a two-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras with “no meaningful process,” even as the child’s father was frantically petitioning the courts to keep her in the country.

U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump appointee, said the child — identified in court papers by the initials “V.M.L.” — appeared to have been released in Honduras earlier Friday, along with her Honduran-born mother and sister, who had been detained by immigration officials earlier in the week.




The judge on Friday scheduled a hearing for May 16, which he said was “in the interest of dispelling our strong suspicion that the Government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”




The child, whose redacted U.S. birth certificate was filed in court and showed she was born in New Orleans in 2023, had been with her mother and sister during a regular immigration check-in at the New Orleans office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Tuesday. Officials there detained them and queued them up for deportation.

Trump administration officials said in court that the mother told ICE officials that she wished to take V.M.L. with her to Honduras. The filing included a handwritten note in Spanish they claimed was written by the mother and confirmed her intent. But the judge said he had hoped to verify that information.

“The Government contends that this is all okay because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” Doughty wrote. “But the Court doesn’t know that.”

The court battle ignited Thursday, when lawyers for the family filed an emergency petition in the Western District of Louisiana seeking V.M.L.’s immediate release from ICE custody and a declaration that the girl’s detention had been unlawful. The petition was filed under the name of Trish Mack, who the lawyers indicated had been asked by V.M.L.’s father to act as the child’s custodian and take her home from ICE custody.

Lawyers for the guardian told the court that V.M.L.’s father had been attempting to contact the girl’s mother to discuss plans for their child but ICE officials denied him the chance to have a substantive phone call. He says ICE allowed the two to speak for about one minute on Tuesday, while the mother was in ICE custody, but that they were unable to make any meaningful decisions about their child.



As a U.S. citizen, V.M.L. is likely to have the ability to return to the United States, setting her case apart from others that have drawn national attention in recent weeks, such as the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The Salvadoran native was deported to a prison in his home country in violation of a 2019 immigration court order. But the Louisiana case is the latest concern by the courts that the Trump administration’s rush to carry out deportations is violating due process rights — in this case, the rights of a U.S. citizen child.

Doughty said he attempted to investigate the emergency matter himself on Friday, seeking to get V.M.L.’s mother on the phone to determine whether ICE’s representation about her desire to bring V.M.L. to Honduras was accurate. The judge said he was “independently aware” that the plane he believed was carrying the family was already “above the Gulf of America.”

Trump administration lawyers called the judge back Friday afternoon and said a phone call with the mother would not be possible “because she (and presumably VML) had just been released in Honduras,” Doughty wrote. Doughty then scheduled the May hearing.

Doughty is based in Monroe, Louisiana, about 100 miles north of the staging facility in Alexandria where lawyers who filed the petition said they believed the mother and her daughters were being held prior to their deportation.

Doughty’s sharp criticism of the Trump administration is particularly notable because he issued a series of major decisions in favor of Trump and his allies in recent years, most notably backing conservatives in legal challenges to the Biden administration’s efforts to rein in what it claimed was misinformation on social media platforms about vaccines and certain politically charged topics.

Indeed, some conservatives considered Doughty so likely to be in their camp that they filed lawsuits in his judicial division in order to have a strong chance the cases would be assigned to him.

Even as Doughty made clear that he was disturbed by the government’s actions, in his order Friday the judge seemed to tip his hat to the president, adopting the term “Gulf of America” for the body of water traditionally known as the Gulf of Mexico.

The Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Are you people for real?? Seriously?? Without reading the click-bait story you've so kindly shared, I'm going to guess Mom was not a citizen like other examples you drones have been suckered into believing. So, do you think we should deport Mom and get the 2 year old a nice American citizen to adopt? What would you do? Tell us the correct way forward.
 
Are you people for real?? Seriously?? Without reading the click-bait story you've so kindly shared, I'm going to guess Mom was not a citizen like other examples you drones have been suckered into believing. So, do you think we should deport Mom and get the 2 year old a nice American citizen to adopt? What would you do? Tell us the correct way forward.
More importantly, was the father married to the mother?
 
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