It’s been 16 days since the SCOTUS’ unanimous 9-0 order that the Trump admin must return Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When is the Trump admin going to be

[Poor Richard Saunders]

MAGAts believe "Due Process" is whatever their Orange Jesus, or one of his apostles, says it is, not what SCOTUS or anyone else says.

Example:

The thing T.A. seems to not know is that when Garcia went to court to get due process the result was the court said he could not be sent back to El Salvador. And then the Trump administration sent him to El Salvador. If due process means the government can ignore the courts and jail them even if the court says they are free to go then we are all fucked.

 

[IBDaMann]

It seems you are so delusional you think parties not part of a lawsuit are part of a lawsuit. No one not part of the lawsuit is required to do anything.

Is the US government a party named in the suit? Is the US Forestry Service part of the US government?

LOL. Says the guy that assigned the absurd position that the only way to facilitate return is to invade.

You were not able to articulate any other action that would be required to comply with facilitation. Until you do, invasion is the only option you are arguing.

My position is that the Trump Administration is already, and has already been, in full compliance with facilitation. I really wish you would get something right eventually.

By the way, you have taken the absurd position that the US Forestry Service is somehow part of the State Department, DHS, or the Department of Justice.

Nope. You have taken the absurd position that the US Forestry Service is somehow not part of the US government. Stupid.

Not at all. I am referring to all of us that see you making ridiculous arguments.

I see, you believe that you speak for all of your imaginary "friends." Don't forget to say "hello" to the Cookie Monster when you see him.

Saying they have to do something doesn't dictate what they have to do.

Yes, the "something" needs to be specified.

What amazing offer?

Bukele is willing to hold incarcerated criminals in El Salvador for a fraction of the cost the US would otherwise have to pay.

That is the next issue with this case in that there is no evidence of any deal with Bukele.

Except Bukele's obvious acceptance of all Salvadoran criminals.

According to news reports, the US is paying El Salvador millions to pay for housing the US deportees.

Yes, but that is the total, which comes out to a per-prisoner cost that is a fraction of what the US would have to pay to keep them incarcerated in the US. It becomes a win-win for the US and for El Salvador.

Stopping payment to El Salvador has nothing to do with Florida.

You just pivoted. I take it you are done.

Your position has been and continues to be that the US government can do nothing to try to get Bukele to send Garcia back.

Nope, my repeated position is that nothing can be done to bring Abrego back to the US if Bukele insists on keeping him incarcerated in El Salvador ... and, by the way, Bukele insists on keeping Abrego and every other Salvadoran prisoner firmly locked away in El Salvador's prisons. You pretend to not understand this because you need to virtue-signal your immense pride in your vast ignorance. You understand that NOTHING can be done, and you then pretend that the Judicial Branch has somehow ordered the Executive Branch to do SOMETHING, in complete violation of the separation of powers, without specifying anything in particular. Your position is stupid.

I didn't fabricate anything.

You fabricate practically everything.

Why can't they say in a court filling that they asked for his return?

Who are "they"?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The thing T.A. seems to not know is that when Garcia went to court to get due process the result was the court said he could not be sent back to El Salvador. And then the Trump administration sent him to El Salvador. If due process means the government can ignore the courts and jail them even if the court says they are free to go then we are all fucked.

That's MAGAtry in a nutshell.

Consider that most, if not all, the Orange Jesus followers claim to be Christians while willfully supporting a man who continues to break most of the Ten Commandments.

 

[IBDaMann]

The thing T.A. seems to not know is that when Garcia went to court to get due process the result was the court said he could not be sent back to El Salvador.

But obviously he could be sent back to El Salvador, and in fact, he was sent back to El Salvador. It looks like that judge got it very wrong. Perhaps the Judicial Branch shouldn't delude themselves into believing that they somehow have any Executive power vested in them.

And then the Trump administration sent him to El Salvador.

Guess what. I just read the Constitution and ALL Executive power is vested in the President. None is vested in any judge. Absolutely none. The President is vested with ALL of it. I guess that judge sure found out the hard way. How embarrassing. Maybe judges should read the Constitution they are supposed to uphold.

If due process means the government can ignore the courts

Separation of powers means that the Executive branch can and should ignore all attempts by the Judicial Branch to exert Executive power.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

But obviously he could be sent back to El Salvador, and in fact, he was sent back to El Salvador. It looks like that judge got it very wrong. Perhaps the Judicial Branch shouldn't delude themselves into believing that they somehow have any Executive power vested in them.

If the judge got it wrong then why did the government's attorney admit that the government was wrong to send him to El Salvador? They admit it was wrong and blamed it on administrative error. They then simply refuse to fix their error.

Guess what. I just read the Constitution and ALL Executive power is vested in the President. None is vested in any judge. Absolutely none. The President is vested with ALL of it. I guess that judge sure found out the hard way. How embarrassing. Maybe judges should read the Constitution they are supposed to uphold.

I guess you didn't read all the Constitution if you think executive power grants the President the power to deny due process or gives the executive branch the power to decide cases and questions about the law. Maybe you should go back and try reading it again.

Separation of powers means that the Executive branch can and should ignore all attempts by the Judicial Branch to exert Executive power.

Separation of powers means that the Executive branch is not allowed to take on the role of the legislative or judicial branches. Your statements once again lead to some logical implications about your intelligence and ability to comprehend topics.

 

[IBDaMann]

And there is the Nazi we all knew you were.

No. I didn't call @Into the Night a Nazi.

Correct. My mistake. You called Ultra Maga a Nazi.

What do you call someone that says "You should be grateful you aren't going on a boxcar where you belong and deserve."

I would likely call him rude.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

That's MAGAtry in a nutshell.

Consider that most, if not all, the Orange Jesus followers claim to be Christians while willfully supporting a man who continues to break most of the Ten Commandments.

How is Sunday not holy if you take the time to play 18 holes?

 

[RB 60]

You're not the brightest bulb on the Xmas tree nor college educated. But if your daddy, or if mine, had given us $413 million when we first staarted out, odds are quite high that we would be far wealthier today than the financially and morally bankrupt #FatFascistFelon.

Wealth is a poor indicator of worth, intelligence, morality despite what MAGAT stooges believe.

ETA: You all call Biden "demented" and "brain dead," yet HE was also POTUS. Oops.

Who the hell are you to say I'm not bright? Nope, no college degree but you surely couldn't hold a candle to me when it comes to math, especially figuring angles and geometric dimensioning cutting speeds, feeds, etc.

I started out with nothing, I had to buy my first car and pay my own insurance (not on my parent's policy ,either). I learned my trade and became a master machinist and the manager of a machine shop.

You're own side said Biden was demented! So much for that. lol!

 

[RB 60]

How is Sunday not holy if you take the time to play 18 holes?

It's not work...well maybe for you it is...

 

[Into the Night]

Did Poor Richard Saunders call you a Nazi?

Yes. Isn't that hilarious?

Has he once correctly articulated your position?

...now that you mention it...no.

... or has he only assigned bogus positions to you so that he can have something to attack?

Hmmmmm. I think you're right. It's another sock of Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Why are you so hell bent on bringing back this thug to the US just to be deported again?

Democrats like criminals. I think that's pretty obvious.

 

[RB 60]

Yes. Isn't that hilarious?

...now that you mention it...no.

Hmmmmm. I think you're right. It's another sock of Sybil.

He and his kind call a lot of us Nazis. He should look in the mirror...

 

[Into the Night]

It is called due process. People have unalienable rights. If Trump gets away with taking his rights, what stops him from taking yours? This is a very, very big deal and a test of the separation of powers. and the Constitution.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE, SYBIL!

He GOT 'due process'. TWO court trials determined he was an illegal alien and a member of MS-13. So he was deported.

 

[Into the Night]

It seems you are so delusional you think parties not part of a lawsuit are part of a lawsuit. No one not part of the lawsuit is required to do anything.

LOL. Says the guy that assigned the absurd position that the only way to facilitate return is to invade.
By the way, you have taken the absurd position that the US Forestry Service is somehow part of the State Department, DHS, or the Department of Justice.

The are all part of the executive branch, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

No. I didn't call @Into the Night a Nazi.

He was responding to this post.

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Monday at 9:22 AM

Then send the bailiff over to arrest DJT and company. You scumbags wanted lawless now you have it so drink up. No one gives a fuck what you or your cuntish judges have to say any more. You should be grateful you aren't going on a boxcar where you belong and deserve. But don't push your luck.

Fuck you it's over your ideas lost and daddy is home now. Go piss up a wet rope and scream at the sky.

And there is the Nazi we all knew you were.

• Poor Richard Saunders

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What do you call someone that says "You should be grateful you aren't going on a boxcar where you belong and deserve."

But once again, we see you haven't bothered to do even the most basic research before posting. This appears to be a pattern on your part.

Don't try to deny your own posts, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

This is about lack of due process.

No, it isn't. It's about Democrats whining.

The same lack of due process that resulted in the US deporting a US citizen. The same lack of due process that you tried to argue that some of those from Jan 6 didn't get when they actually did get it.

They didn't. They weren't being deported either.

I still haven't seen you find even one person held for months, let along a year like you claimed, without an indictment or due process.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Already done, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

He and his kind call a lot of us Nazis. He should look in the mirror...

Quite right. They use it like a buzzword.

The Nazi party were socialists, primarily favoring fascism and some communism. They were also quite racist.

Just like what Democrats want today.

Democrats often seem to confuse capitalism and socialism, trying to blame their problems on someone else.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Who the hell are you to say I'm not bright? Nope, no college degree but you surely couldn't hold a candle to me when it comes to math, especially figuring angles and geometric dimensioning cutting speeds, feeds, etc.

I started out with nothing, I had to buy my first car and pay my own insurance (not on my parent's policy ,either). I learned my trade and became a master machinist and the manager of a machine shop.

You're own side said Biden was demented! So much for that. lol!

Everyone can read your posts, Arbie. It's pretty easy to pick out who is fair, balanced, unafraid, sane, educated and bright over a few hundred posts.

Good. Seriously, son. You should be proud of your accomplishments instead of being constantly envious of the accomplishments of others.

Bided does appear to be suffering cognitive decline. He's history now. Constantly bringing him, Hillary or Obama up is simply a dumbassed excuse for the actions of your Orange Jesus.

 

[RB 60]

Everyone can read your posts, Arbie. It's pretty easy to pick out who is fair, balanced, unafraid, sane, educated and bright over a few hundred posts.

Good. Seriously, son. You should be proud of your accomplishments instead of being constantly envious of the accomplishments of others.

Bided does appear to be suffering cognitive decline. He's history now. Constantly bringing him, Hillary or Obama up is simply a dumbassed excuse for the actions of your Orange Jesus.

Fucking senseless coward
Who the fuck do you think you are to judge me or my accomplishments?
You're a lying loser. A nobody.. A zit on the asshole of society. with a colossal
case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. You're nothing more than a wannabe.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

It's not work...well maybe for you it is...

The jokes just go right over your poor head. It's almost like you head is holey.