It’s been 16 days since the SCOTUS’ unanimous 9-0 order that the Trump admin must return Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When is the Trump admin going to be

[Into the Night]

And there is the Nazi we all knew you were.

It isn't 1940, Poorboy, and this isn't Germany.
It's 2025, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

Proof MAGAts are anti-Constitution Satan worshipers.

MAGA isn't a person, Sybil. You are describing yourself again (minus the Satan part).

 

[Into the Night]

I find it amusing when leftists call Trump dumb when he is filthy rich (compared to most of us) and has been convincingly elected president of the United States...twice.

I find it hilarious. These kinds of statements come from people who are living on welfare...either retired and living on Social Security, or in 'school' (indoctrination center) and living on tick.

 

[Into the Night]

What part of that says he is smart?

A successful career and getting elected twice. I guess you didn't read his post.

His speech is at 5th grade level.

He has to dumb it down for you.

He does not understand how the Constitution works.

He understands it far better than YOU do, and he supports that Constitution.

He is a serial criminal.

Trump has committed no crime.

His talent is that he is a first-rate conman who can read his low-level audiences very quickly.

You are describing Obama, Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, etc.

He has carved out groups of people in America who he tells that he hates the same things they do.

He does.

He is a terrible divider using hate to separate the American people.

You are describing Democrats again. It is DEMOCRATS that are racist. It is DEMOCRATS that are bigots. It is DEMOCRATS constantly trying to separate people into little groups, calling this one 'privileged', and that one 'oppressive'.

 

[Into the Night]

He's achieved the presidency of the most powerful country in the world. Twice. What have you achieved?

He's a nothing, wallowing in his nothing of a world.

 

[IBDaMann]

Interesting that you claim the DoJ has always been poised to facilitate Abrego's return when it is DHS and State that are responsible for facilitating his return.

Incorrect. The entirety of the US government must facilitate his return. The US Forest Service does not get to somehow thwart Abrego's return.

Then you seem to be unaware of the fact that the government could not provide one thing they were doing or planned to do to facilitate his return

Typical activist leftist word games. First, this is not a fact. You are guilty of using the word "fact" to falsely connote that your dishonesty is somehow true. Second, the government has been entirely poised to facilitate Abrego's return per whatever would be appropriate at the moment. You are guilty of insinuating that Donald Trump somehow controls the Salvadoran President and somehow dictates time and manner of his actions, in which case he should somehow have his script published as his "plan."

You have not presented any argument that does not rely on absurd falsehoods being true.

when the court simply said they needed to give daily updates as to what they were doing to facilitate the return.

Unconstitutional. The Executive Branch does not answer to the Judicial Branch. Trump should have dropped his pants and whipped out his cock right then and there and said "Blow me, bitch!" Answer to the Judicial Branch! Too funny!

LOL. I guess the government is now activist leftist judges in your mind.

That is how it would appear to be in your mind. I, on the other hand, agree with Trump that we'll have none of that.

The USSC said that the government was supposed to facilitate Garcia's return and was supposed to relay to the lower court what actions they were taking.

Instead of pretending to speak for SCOTUS, post the text of the decision.

I made no such implication

Yes, you did. It's not up for debate. Your dreadful lack of logic proficiency is your problem, not mine.

since there are many diplomatic moves that any country can make to facilitate the return of someone from another country.

This is a separate issue. Your implication, and hence your stupid position, is that the Judicial Branch gets to micromanage the Executive Branch. The only "move" that the Executive branch must ever make is the one upon which the Executive Branch decides is the correct course of action. Notice that the Judicial Branch is not involved in that decision in any way and gets no say whatsoever. You are wrong.

... but to the idea that the US must bring Abrego back to the US necessarily implies an invasion of El Salvador as long as Bukele insists on keeping Abrego in prison. You are wrong for implying that the US should invade El Salvador.

One needs only look at the return of US citizens in jail in Russia to see that invasions are not the only way.

Bad example. Russia was amenable to releasing those Americans. Bukele is not amenable to releasing Abrego. The only option, which you insist must be taken because you insist on the result of Abrego being returned, is to invade El Salvador. You are wrong for demanding the US invade El Salvador. Shame on you.

How did I logically imply that the US had to invade El Salvador to return anyone?

You assumed the position that Abrego must be returned. You were aware that Bukele won't release Abrego despite diplomatic discussions on the matter. You bitched like a woman with cramps that Trump needed to do more than just stand poised to accept Abrego back into the US.

There is only one option left, and you are insisting on it. You are in the wrong.

The court ruling I quoted from says ...

At this point, you can stop quoting from activist leftist judges and their attempts to violate the separation of powers.

What bogus position did I assign to you?

That the US government somehow does not need to facilitate Abrego's return.

We can clearly see that you have applied a bogus position as you spout your "activist leftist judge" bullshit

When did you become a plural? Now it's my turn ... support your claim that the position that I "spouted" was somehow bogus bullshit.

LOL. And here you are again with your bogus position that the government can put no pressure on Bukele if he insists on keeping Abrego in prison.

Your bogus boooooosch't position is that diplomatic talks haven't already occurred. They have. Bukele insists on keeping Abrego in prison and the Judicial Branch cannot mandate to the Executive Branch. All that the US government can do is to remain poised to accept Abrego back should Bukele change his mind. Invading El Salvador is off the table.

Facilitate does not mean that the US must invade El Salvador.

Correct, yet you are trying desperately to transmute that meaning into being one of the US must invade El Salvador. Give it up. You're fighting a losing battle.

It means the US must do something rather than nothing.

Nope. It means that the Judicial Branch gets to dictate to the Executive Branch. Give it up. You are fighting a losing battle.

That something would clearly involve diplomatic and financial incentives [as dictated by the Judicial Branch].

FTFY. Give it up.

It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcia’s return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in
accordance with the Supreme Court’s decision should extend a genuine deference.

Let's see, it would recognize that the Executive Branch has all the options that it has (brilliant!), and that the Supreme Court needs to defer to the Executive Branch. Am I missing anything?

The Supreme Court’s decision does not, however, allow the government to do essentially nothing. It requires the government “to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

Since the Executive branch is doing everything it can possibly do, i.e. remaining poised to accept Abrego in the event something changes with Bukele, the Trump Administration is in full compliance with this decision. The only way you can claim that it is not is to imply that El Salvador needs to be invaded if Bukele won't change his mind. You are wrong for holding this view.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It’s been 16 days since the SCOTUS’ unanimous 9-0 order that the Trump admin must return Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When is the Trump admin going to be held in contempt? Or is the Constitution dead?​

How's that holding your breath for Trump to bring that thug back to the US going for you?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Incorrect. The entirety of the US government must facilitate his return. The US Forest Service does not get to somehow thwart Abrego's return.

The Forest Service doesn't have to facilitate Abrego's return. The Forest Service is not party to the lawsuit.

Typical activist leftist word games. First, this is not a fact. You are guilty of using the word "fact" to falsely connote that your dishonesty is somehow true. Second, the government has been entirely poised to facilitate Abrego's return per whatever would be appropriate at the moment. You are guilty of insinuating that Donald Trump somehow controls the Salvadoran President and somehow dictates time and manner of his actions, in which case he should somehow have his script published as his "plan."

Oh. It isn't a fact since it actually occurred and is available to see in the filings to the court. The government has not been poised to facilitate his return as evidenced by their court filings that say the opposite of what you claim.

You have not presented any argument that does not rely on absurd falsehoods being true.

The court rulings don't exist? It seems that it is you that is relying on absurd falsehoods when you simply deny that things that exist exist.

Unconstitutional. The Executive Branch does not answer to the Judicial Branch. Trump should have dropped his pants and whipped out his cock right then and there and said "Blow me, bitch!" Answer to the Judicial Branch! Too funny!

Trump is free to do that. Congress is free to impeach and remove him.

That is how it would appear to be in your mind. I, on the other hand, agree with Trump that we'll have none of that.

No. That is how it actually is in the court rulings.

Instead of pretending to speak for SCOTUS, post the text of the decision.

That's funny. I already provided that quote when I quoted from the lower court as it was quoting SCOTUS..

Yes, you did. It's not up for debate. Your dreadful lack of logic proficiency is your problem, not mine.

Your denial of facts is your problem.

This is a separate issue. Your implication, and hence your stupid position, is that the Judicial Branch gets to micromanage the Executive Branch. The only "move" that the Executive branch must ever make is the one upon which the Executive Branch decides is the correct course of action. Notice that the Judicial Branch is not involved in that decision in any way and gets no say whatsoever. You are wrong.

That is not my implication at all. Since I didn't imply that it would appear you are the one lacking in logical proficiency.

... but to the idea that the US must bring Abrego back to the US necessarily implies an invasion of El Salvador as long as Bukele insists on keeping Abrego in prison. You are wrong for implying that the US should invade El Salvador.

Facilitate does not mean must. It means they must attempt.

Bad example. Russia was amenable to releasing those Americans. Bukele is not amenable to releasing Abrego. The only option, which you insist must be taken because you insist on the result of Abrego being returned, is to invade El Salvador. You are wrong for demanding the US invade El Salvador. Shame on you.


You assumed the position that Abrego must be returned. You were aware that Bukele won't release Abrego despite diplomatic discussions on the matter. You bitched like a woman with cramps that Trump needed to do more than just stand poised to accept Abrego back into the US.

Once again, we see you don't understand the meaning of the word facilitate. As the court said, facilitate means you must make some attempt rather than doing nothing.

There is only one option left, and you are insisting on it. You are in the wrong.

No. There isn't only one option since it would appear that the Trump administration is paying El Salvador to house the prisoners.

At this point, you can stop quoting from activist leftist judges and their attempts to violate the separation of powers.

At this point you should stop making idiotic arguments and misrepresenting the meaning of the word facilitate.

That the US government somehow does not need to facilitate Abrego's return.


When did you become a plural? Now it's my turn ... support your claim that the position that I "spouted" was somehow bogus bullshit.


Your bogus boooooosch't position is that diplomatic talks haven't already occurred. They have. Bukele insists on keeping Abrego in prison and the Judicial Branch cannot mandate to the Executive Branch. All that the US government can do is to remain poised to accept Abrego back should Bukele change his mind. Invading El Salvador is off the table.


Correct, yet you are trying desperately to transmute that meaning into being one of the US must invade El Salvador. Give it up. You're fighting a losing battle.


Nope. It means that the Judicial Branch gets to dictate to the Executive Branch. Give it up. You are fighting a losing battle.

Well, it would appear that the "activist judge" knows more than you do since he states that he is not directing how the Executive branch is to facilitate the return but only that they need to inform the court of how they are attempting to facilitate.

FTFY. Give it up.



Let's see, it would recognize that the Executive Branch has all the options that it has (brilliant!), and that the Supreme Court needs to defer to the Executive Branch. Am I missing anything?

Yes. You are missing that there is a US Constitution.

Since the Executive branch is doing everything it can possibly do, i.e. remaining poised to accept Abrego in the event something changes with Bukele, the Trump Administration is in full compliance with this decision. The only way you can claim that it is not is to imply that El Salvador needs to be invaded if Bukele won't change his mind. You are wrong for holding this view.

If the Executive branch is doing everything they can possibly do then why can they name nothing that they are doing? It would appear that doing everything they can means they do nothing in your mind. That is absurd. The Executive branch can't even claim they asked for the return which would be pretty simple to claim if they had actually done it.

Then this post shows how disingenuous you are with your arguments and facts. At one point you claim the government is poised to facilitate his return and then later claim they are doing everything they can possible can. Both can't be true. They can't be doing everything if they are only poised to do everything.

 

[IBDaMann]

The Forest Service doesn't have to facilitate Abrego's return. The Forest Service is not party to the lawsuit.

Stupid Comment. The US Forestry Service is very much a part of the Trump Administration. Why you think it isn't is beyond me.

The court rulings don't exist?

So this is what is has come to, i.e. you having nowhere else to turn except to assign absurd positions to me so that you can attack those. How do you think it will work out for you to ridicule a position that I do not hold?

It seems that it is you that is relying on absurd falsehoods when you simply deny that things that exist exist.

Are we done?

Congress is free to impeach and remove him.

When has that not been the case?

That is not my implication at all.

You imply every logical implication, whether you are aware of it or not.

Facilitate does not mean must.

Exactly, yet you are arguing that position. It's a really stupid position.

It means they must attempt.

Incomplete. It means that they must attempt what?

Once again, we see you don't understand the meaning of the word facilitate.

Once again you have transformed into a plural upon realizing that your argument is stupid.

As the court said, facilitate means you must make some attempt rather than doing nothing.

... go on, what must the Trump Administration do specifically? What direct instructions of Executive action must the Trump Administration obey from the Judicial Branch? What specifically must be done, according to the activist leftist judge?

You are claiming that the Trump Administration is somehow not facilitating the return of Abrego per this court order, so specify, in detail, what the Trump Administration must do that has not been done, to so facilitate.

No. There isn't only one option since it would appear that the Trump administration is paying El Salvador to house the prisoners.

Are you suggesting that Trump attempt to pressure Bukele by rejecting Bukele's amazing offer to the US? You're a moron. That is not an option because it is not any sort of viable alternative. Could we pressure Bukele by threatening to withhold emergency funding from Florida during their next hurricane? Is that something we are required to try according to your activist leftist judge? Can you hear me all the way down there in the hold that you dug for yourself?

Well, it would appear that the "activist judge" knows more than you do

There aren't any activist judges who know anything other OBEDIENCE to the DNC.

since he states that he is not directing how the Executive branch is to facilitate the return but only that they need to inform the court of how they are attempting to facilitate.

He doesn't even know about that separation of powers thing.

If the Executive branch is doing everything they can possibly do then why can they name nothing that they are doing?

You need to support your stupid claim that the Executive branch cannot name anything that they are doing.

It would appear that doing everything they can means they do nothing in your mind.

This is your third strike. You have not made any attempt to get my position correct even a single time. All you have done is fabricate absurd position to assign to me.

The Executive branch can't even claim they asked for the return

Yes, it was discussed at a press conference. You don't watch those, do you?

 

[IBDaMann]

It isn't 1940, Poorboy, and this isn't Germany.
It's 2025, dumbass.

Did Poor Richard Saunders call you a Nazi? Has he once correctly articulated your position? ... or has he only assigned bogus positions to you so that he can have something to attack?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The Forest Service doesn't have to facilitate Abrego's return. The Forest Service is not party to the lawsuit.

Oh. It isn't a fact since it actually occurred and is available to see in the filings to the court. The government has not been poised to facilitate his return as evidenced by their court filings that say the opposite of what you claim.

The court rulings don't exist? It seems that it is you that is relying on absurd falsehoods when you simply deny that things that exist exist.

Trump is free to do that. Congress is free to impeach and remove him.

Why are you so hell bent on bringing back this thug to the US just to be deported again?

 

[Nordberg]

Why are you so hell bent on bringing back this thug to the US just to be deported again?

It is called due process. People have unalienable rights. If Trump gets away with taking his rights, what stops him from taking yours? This is a very, very big deal and a test of the separation of powers. and the Constitution.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Stupid Comment. The US Forestry Service is very much a part of the Trump Administration. Why you think it isn't is beyond me.

It seems you are so delusional you think parties not part of a lawsuit are part of a lawsuit. No one not part of the lawsuit is required to do anything.

So this is what is has come to, i.e. you having nowhere else to turn except to assign absurd positions to me so that you can attack those. How do you think it will work out for you to ridicule a position that I do not hold?

LOL. Says the guy that assigned the absurd position that the only way to facilitate return is to invade.
By the way, you have taken the absurd position that the US Forestry Service is somehow part of the State Department, DHS, or the Department of Justice.

Are we done?

It seems so since you are going to resort to absurdities.

When has that not been the case?


You imply every logical implication, whether you are aware of it or not.

Another absurdity on your part. One can't imply EVERY logical implication anytime someone makes a statement. Otherwise it would appear you are implying you are really stupid since that is a logical implication based on your denial of facts.

Exactly, yet you are arguing that position. It's a really stupid position.

No. I have never argued that position. That is your strawman version of what you think my position is. I have argued that facilitate means they must attempt not that they must do.

Incomplete. It means that they must attempt what?

It seems you can't even follow along with simple English. We are talking about how they must attempt to facilitate the return. Doing nothing is not attempting anything.

Once again you have transformed into a plural upon realizing that your argument is stupid.

Not at all. I am referring to all of us that see you making ridiculous arguments.

... go on, what must the Trump Administration do specifically? What direct instructions of Executive action must the Trump Administration obey from the Judicial Branch? What specifically must be done, according to the activist leftist judge?

At this point we can all see that you are making arguments without knowledge. If you bothered to read the actual order from the court you wouldn't have to ask so many ridiculous questions.

You are claiming that the Trump Administration is somehow not facilitating the return of Abrego per this court order, so specify, in detail, what the Trump Administration must do that has not been done, to so facilitate.

Saying they have to do something doesn't dictate what they have to do. It merely says they have to do something. They can decide what they want to do but not doing anything is not doing something.

Are you suggesting that Trump attempt to pressure Bukele by rejecting Bukele's amazing offer to the US? You're a moron. That is not an option because it is not any sort of viable alternative. Could we pressure Bukele by threatening to withhold emergency funding from Florida during their next hurricane? Is that something we are required to try according to your activist leftist judge? Can you hear me all the way down there in the hold that you dug for yourself?

What amazing offer? That is the next issue with this case in that there is no evidence of any deal with Bukele. According to news reports, the US is paying El Salvador millions to pay for housing the US deportees. Stopping payment to El Salvador has nothing to do with Florida. At this point the logical implication is you have an IQ of 50.

There aren't any activist judges who know anything other OBEDIENCE to the DNC.

Nice deflection that has nothing to do with the government's need to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia.

He doesn't even know about that separation of powers thing.

The judge talks about the separation powers in his ruling. This leaves the logical implication that you are either stupid or illiterate.

You need to support your stupid claim that the Executive branch cannot name anything that they are doing.

It's right there in the status reports filed by the government as to what they are doing.
Here are a couple of examples -

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/89/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/90/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

This is your third strike. You have not made any attempt to get my position correct even a single time. All you have done is fabricate absurd position to assign to me.

Your position has been and continues to be that the US government can do nothing to try to get Bukele to send Garcia back. I didn't fabricate anything. Your entire post so far has further reinforced that is your position. Your denial of your own arguments would lead us to the logical implication that you are not even attempting to make valid or logical arguments.

Yes, it was discussed at a press conference. You don't watch those, do you?

I read the court filings. Why can't they say in a court filling that they asked for his return? Is it because a court filing requires facts and supporting evidence if questioned? That would be the logical implication.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Did Poor Richard Saunders call you a Nazi? Has he once correctly articulated your position? ... or has he only assigned bogus positions to you so that he can have something to attack?

No. I didn't call @Into the Night a Nazi.

He was responding to this post.

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Then send the bailiff over to arrest DJT and company. You scumbags wanted lawless now you have it so drink up. No one gives a fuck what you or your cuntish judges have to say any more. You should be grateful you aren't going on a boxcar where you belong and deserve. But don't push your luck.

Fuck you it's over your ideas lost and daddy is home now. Go piss up a wet rope and scream at the sky.

And there is the Nazi we all knew you were.

• Poor Richard Saunders

• 

What do you call someone that says "You should be grateful you aren't going on a boxcar where you belong and deserve."

But once again, we see you haven't bothered to do even the most basic research before posting. This appears to be a pattern on your part.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Why are you so hell bent on bringing back this thug to the US just to be deported again?

This is about lack of due process. The same lack of due process that resulted in the US deporting a US citizen. The same lack of due process that you tried to argue that some of those from Jan 6 didn't get when they actually did get it.

I still haven't seen you find even one person held for months, let along a year like you claimed, without an indictment or due process.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I find it amusing when leftists call Trump dumb when he is filthy rich (compared to most of us) and has been convincingly elected president of the United States...twice.

You're not the brightest bulb on the Xmas tree nor college educated. But if your daddy, or if mine, had given us $413 million when we first staarted out, odds are quite high that we would be far wealthier today than the financially and morally bankrupt #FatFascistFelon.

Wealth is a poor indicator of worth, intelligence, morality despite what MAGAT stooges believe.

ETA: You all call Biden "demented" and "brain dead," yet HE was also POTUS. Oops.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It is called due process. People have unalienable rights. If Trump gets away with taking his rights, what stops him from taking yours? This is a very, very big deal and a test of the separation of powers. and the Constitution.

This guy got his due process many times over. The only disagreement here is that one judge put a stay on his deportation to El Salvador. He was already adjugated as deportable and had an order of deportation in place. Two judges found him to be a member of MS 13, not a crime at the time of those hearings but something that could be used to enhance sentencing or influence a decision to deport.

So, if he's returned to the US, the only issue on the table is can he be deported to El Salvador? If not, the administration could find a third country willing to take him and he gets deported there. The administration could also charge him as a terrorist now and try and if convicted give him years in prison for his membership in MS 13.

He isn't going to walk free if returned to the US. This guy is screwed either way, and no amount of "due process" is going to change that.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is about lack of due process. The same lack of due process that resulted in the US deporting a US citizen. The same lack of due process that you tried to argue that some of those from Jan 6 didn't get when they actually did get it.

I still haven't seen you find even one person held for months, let along a year like you claimed, without an indictment or due process.

He had his due process. The only issue on the table is whether he can be deported to El Salvador or not.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

He had his due process. The only issue on the table is whether he can be deported to El Salvador or not.

When did he have his due process? What court appearance did he make?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

When did he have his due process? What court appearance did he make?

MAGAts believe "Due Process" is whatever their Orange Jesus, or one of his apostles, says it is, not what SCOTUS or anyone else says.

Example:

He had his due process. The only issue on the table is whether he can be deported to El Salvador or not.