It’s been 16 days since the SCOTUS’ unanimous 9-0 order that the Trump admin must return Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When is the Trump admin going to be

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Don't try to deny your own posts, Sybil.

Unless you are named @ULTRA MAGA you are delusional to think a post addressed to him addresses you.

 

[RB 60]

The jokes just go right over your poor head. It's almost like you head is holey.

You ain't funny...

 

[Into the Night]

Everyone can read your posts, Arbie. It's pretty easy to pick out who is fair, balanced, unafraid, sane, educated and bright over a few hundred posts.

...and it's certainly not you.

Good. Seriously, son. You should be proud of your accomplishments instead of being constantly envious of the accomplishments of others.

Bided does appear to be suffering cognitive decline. He's history now. Constantly bringing him, Hillary or Obama up is simply a dumbassed excuse for the actions of your Orange Jesus.

Trump needs no excuse, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Unless you are named @ULTRA MAGA you are delusional to think a post addressed to him addresses you.

This isn't PM, Sybil.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Who the hell are you to say I'm not bright? Nope, no college degree but you surely couldn't hold a candle to me when it comes to math, especially figuring angles and geometric dimensioning cutting speeds, feeds, etc.

I started out with nothing, I had to buy my first car and pay my own insurance (not on my parent's policy ,either). I learned my trade and became a master machinist and the manager of a machine shop.

You're own side said Biden was demented! So much for that. lol!

Youi've accomplished a lot more than Trump ever has. Yet you're not wealthy and neither am I. Our daddies ddn't start us out with a silver spoon and $413M.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

When did he have his due process? What court appearance did he make?

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

IJ Order dated 10-10-2019 .pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Has nothing to do with being deported and he had a court ruling that said he could not be deported to El Salvador

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

This is not due process. It is a habeas case after he was deported.

IJ Order dated 10-10-2019 .pdf

drive.google.com

This is the ruling that says he can't be deported to El Salvador. Where was he deported? Do you think due process means that the executive branch can jail someone if the court says they are not guilty or can't be jailed?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Has nothing to do with being deported and he had a court ruling that said he could not be deported to El Salvador

This is not due process. It is a habeas case after he was deported.

This is the ruling that says he can't be deported to El Salvador. Where was he deported? Do you think due process means that the executive brance can jail someone if the court says they are not guilty or can't be jailed?

So, what do you propose? Let's bring him back to the US and slap him straight into a federal prison or jail to be held without bond as a flight risk until his hearing. Additionally, since he's obviously an MS 13 member, let's slap some terrorist charges on him and try him for that too. Chances are pretty damn good he'll end up, at a minimum, in a US prison for double digits with a whopping six-figure fine to boot.

Or, maybe the US can find a third-party nation--I suggest Kazakhstan or maybe Pitcairn Island as possibilities--given a suitable compensation for their taking him and making sure he stays there.

One thing is for certain, he is returned in the next 3-ish years to the US, he's going to get thoroughly and totally fucked by the government, no judge withstanding.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

So, what do you propose? Let's bring him back to the US and slap him straight into a federal prison or jail to be held without bond as a flight risk until his hearing. Additionally, since he's obviously an MS 13 member, let's slap some terrorist charges on him and try him for that too. Chances are pretty damn good he'll end up, at a minimum, in a US prison for double digits with a whopping six-figure fine to boot.

He is not obviously an MS 13 member. In fact the government has not presented any actual evidence to a court of him being a member of MS-13. The only thing they have is double hearsay which is not acceptable in any court in the US. I see you are now proposing that people be jailed for crimes without a trial or an indictment. Garcia has not been charged with any crime and has not been convicted of any crimes.

Or, maybe the US can find a third-party nation--I suggest Kazakhstan or maybe Pitcairn Island as possibilities--given a suitable compensation for their taking him and making sure he stays there.

Yes, they could deport him to another country but that would likely require a guarantee that he would not be returned to El Salvador.

One thing is for certain, he is returned in the next 3-ish years to the US, he's going to get thoroughly and totally fucked by the government, no judge withstanding.

This isn't about him being able to stay in the country. This is about everyone in the US being entitled to due process.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

He is not obviously an MS 13 member. In fact the government has not presented any actual evidence to a court of him being a member of MS-13. The only thing they have is double hearsay which is not acceptable in any court in the US. I see you are now proposing that people be jailed for crimes without a trial or an indictment. Garcia has not been charged with any crime and has not been convicted of any crimes.

Yes, he is. Several police departments say he is. Reliable informants say he is. The only counter claim to that is his own word that he isn't. His membership in MS 13 does not require him to have committed any crimes (which he has) or be convicted of the same (which he hasn't). He has been charged, simply not tried and convicted.

Yes, they could deport him to another country but that would likely require a guarantee that he would not be returned to El Salvador.

Or not. He could likely return to El Salvador of his own volition. He also likely could try to go to other nations besides the one he is in. However, if the US chose ones he likely would have a difficult time returning to the Americas at all, that is good enough.

This isn't about him being able to stay in the country. This is about everyone in the US being entitled to due process.

Yes, it is. He isn't going to get to stay in the US unless it is in a prison cell. Giving him due process isn't going to improve his situation one iota.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Yes, he is. Several police departments say he is. Reliable informants say he is. The only counter claim to that is his own word that he isn't. His membership in MS 13 does not require him to have committed any crimes (which he has) or be convicted of the same (which he hasn't). He has been charged, simply not tried and convicted.

No several police departments do not say he is. No. No reliable information says he is.
Which police department other than the one you posted from Prince Georges say he is? Name them. Then provide the evidence showing he is MS-13. The only thing the government has is he was picked up in a Home Depot parking lot with several other people and an informant told a police officer that he is MS-13. He was not arrested at that time. Just questioned and released
They claim because he was wearing a Chicago bulls hat he was a gang member. That is not evidence and the court said as much.

Provide your evidence of him being charged with a crime. We will quickly find out you have none. Making up shit doesn't make it true.

Or not. He could likely return to El Salvador of his own volition. He also likely could try to go to other nations besides the one he is in. However, if the US chose ones he likely would have a difficult time returning to the Americas at all, that is good enough.

Yes, it is. He isn't going to get to stay in the US unless it is in a prison cell. Giving him due process isn't going to improve his situation one iota.

On what basis will he be in a prison cell? You have already admitted he has never been convicted of anything.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No several police departments do not say he is. No. No reliable information says he is.
Which police department other than the one you posted from Prince Georges say he is? Name them. Then provide the evidence showing he is MS-13. The only thing the government has is he was picked up in a Home Depot parking lot with several other people and an informant told a police officer that he is MS-13. He was not arrested at that time. Just questioned and released

The Tennessee Highway Patrol said so. DHS said so. Prince Georges County gang unit says so.

DHS Releases Bombshell Investigative Report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia Suspected Human Trafficking Incident | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security released a Homeland Security Investigations’ Combined Intelligence Unit (CIU) Investigative Referral report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

www.dhs.gov

They claim because he was wearing a Chicago bulls hat he was a gang member. That is not evidence and the court said as much.

There was far more than that in all the official documents on him.

Provide your evidence of him being charged with a crime. We will quickly find out you have none. Making up shit doesn't make it true.

...it is a misdemeanor offense in the state of Tennessee to operate a motor vehicle without a valid driver’s license. Anyone convicted of this Class B misdemeanor faces up to six months in jail.

Biden's FBI Ordered TN Highway Patrol to Release 'Maryland Man' Recently Deported to El Salvador After He Was Detained in 2022 Traffic Stop on Suspicion of Human Trafficking - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star learned on Wednesday that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged member of the South American gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who was deported to El Salvador under President Donald Trump amid legal action claiming the removal was by mistake, was suspected of being engaged in human...

tennesseestar.com

On what basis will he be in a prison cell? You have already admitted he has never been convicted of anything.

We can start with his being a flight risk. As a foreign national, that is a common thing used to hold someone in lieu of bail until their court date. His simply being an illegal alien, which he is and for which he does have an order of deportation, even if that is stayed.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The Tennessee Highway Patrol said so. DHS said so. Prince Georges County gang unit says so.

DHS Releases Bombshell Investigative Report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia Suspected Human Trafficking Incident | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security released a Homeland Security Investigations’ Combined Intelligence Unit (CIU) Investigative Referral report on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

www.dhs.gov

It seems you didn't actually read the piece you linked to. The Tennessee Highway patrol said no such thing. DoJ pulls a switch by pulling up the Prince George's document.

There was far more than that in all the official documents on him.

Where is all this stuff then? Why do they refuse to present it to a court?

...it is a misdemeanor offense in the state of Tennessee to operate a motor vehicle without a valid driver’s license. Anyone convicted of this Class B misdemeanor faces up to six months in jail.

Biden's FBI Ordered TN Highway Patrol to Release 'Maryland Man' Recently Deported to El Salvador After He Was Detained in 2022 Traffic Stop on Suspicion of Human Trafficking - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star learned on Wednesday that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged member of the South American gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who was deported to El Salvador under President Donald Trump amid legal action claiming the removal was by mistake, was suspected of being engaged in human...

tennesseestar.com

Operating a vehicle without a license doesn't make someone a member of MS-13.

We can start with his being a flight risk. As a foreign national, that is a common thing used to hold someone in lieu of bail until their court date. His simply being an illegal alien, which he is and for which he does have an order of deportation, even if that is stayed.

Being held by ICE is not what you said. You said he would be in prison.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Fucking senseless coward
Who the fuck do you think you are to judge me or my accomplishments?
You're a lying loser. A nobody.. A zit on the asshole of society. with a colossal
case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. You're nothing more than a wannabe.

Your anger is your biggest problem, Arbie. It rules your mind.

Again, why aren't you satisfied with your life's accomplishments instead of being envious of others?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Endless trivial objections. It's amazing that the Left wants to defend this criminal alien gangster so virulently.

 

[AProudLefty]

Endless trivial objections. It's amazing that the Left wants to defend this criminal alien gangster so virulently.

Strawman.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

...it is a misdemeanor offense in the state of Tennessee to operate a motor vehicle without a valid driver’s license. Anyone convicted of this Class B misdemeanor faces up to six months in jail.

Biden's FBI Ordered TN Highway Patrol to Release 'Maryland Man' Recently Deported to El Salvador After He Was Detained in 2022 Traffic Stop on Suspicion of Human Trafficking - Tennessee Star

The Tennessee Star learned on Wednesday that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged member of the South American gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who was deported to El Salvador under President Donald Trump amid legal action claiming the removal was by mistake, was suspected of being engaged in human...

tennesseestar.com

That is interesting since when I check the actual Tennessee law it is a class C misdemeanor to not carry a license. It has a $10 fine.

Tenn. Code Ann. §​

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Endless trivial objections. It's amazing that the Left wants to defend this criminal alien gangster so virulently.

Endless failure to provide any facts on your part doesn't make objections by others trivial.

Repeated attempts to lie about the facts on your part doesn't make objections by others trivial.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That is interesting since when I check the actual Tennessee law it is a class C misdemeanor to not carry a license. It has a $10 fine.

Tenn. Code Ann. §​

Toss in illegal entry, possibly using false ID to get employment, being employed and not legally allowed to do so, etc....

 

[Into the Night]

Youi've accomplished a lot more than Trump ever has. Yet you're not wealthy and neither am I. Our daddies ddn't start us out with a silver spoon and $413M.

Awwwww. You're jealous again.