Israeli archaeologist ; No evidence to support Israelites. Old Testament is a myth.

[Walt]

Why aren't we building more electric cars in the US?

Designing and building electric cars is hard work, and Republicans are against the idea of working, especially working hard.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Any evidence of when or where the story originated? Myths are often mixed with factual events. Maybe one tribe suffered and the story grew over the years? Later to be mixed with Moses? Without a time machine, not all stories can be proved or disproved, except for those based on natural law. I'm sure the story of the Red Sea may have grown over time. One interesting theory is wind setdown on the Eastern Nile:

I think it's reasonable to assume there must be some grain of truth behind the events described. I've read the various attempts to explain the miracles in Exodus like what you posted.

I've also read some ideas that it wasn't the Red Sea we know today but the "Sea of Reeds" or some such. That's the fun aspect to trying to puzzle out the events described in ancient texts. Wish I knew more about the history of this area.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

business is not investing in any american manufacturing in most things because the looming paris accords war on fossil fuel

Not investing in American manufacturing goes waaaaay back. Once CEO's of American corporations realized they could farm out the labor to places where people work for pennies on the dollar without any care for their safety or lives the race was one. That's not a Right or Left thing, that's Money thing. And if there's one thing we truly worship in America it's Mammon.

is an anti-growth austerity policy, designed to hamstring american production

American manufacturing is expensive because Americans don't like to work for slave wages and don't like to be poisoned or watch their children die from interesting cancers. Just look at how Love Canal harshed our mellow over just burying out trash. A few kids start kickin' off and suddenly Americans are all "My poor kids!" How dare they want a clean environment and livable wages.

So American corporations did what they did to make some more scratch.

green is traitorism.

I bet you'd change your mind if your kid was growing a tumor in their head.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Designing and building electric cars is hard work, and Republicans are against the idea of working, especially working hard.

The Trumpers? Agreed. The party in general? I think they don't want to have to pay extra when they can make billions now then retire in luxury.

Old American Dream: Own one's own property and house, good job, wife and kids in a safe area.

New American Dream: Become a CEO, milk the investors for enough bonuses to bailout by 55 with a huge golden parachute. That or become a celebrity or sports star.....on TikTok. A rich influencer.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think it's reasonable to assume there must be some grain of truth behind the events described. I've read the various attempts to explain the miracles in Exodus like what you posted.

I've also read some ideas that it wasn't the Red Sea we know today but the "Sea of Reeds" or some such. That's the fun aspect to trying to puzzle out the events described in ancient texts. Wish I knew more about the history of this area.

It's human nature for stories to grow and be embellished with each retelling over a few thousand years.

 

[Cypress]

It's human nature for stories to grow and be embellished with each retelling over a few thousand years.

The mythology of King Solomon is probably analogous to the mythology of King Arthur.

A lot of people want the mythology to be true.

There is probably a nugget of truth about their historical existences. At least in terms of the histories in the TaNaKh, and in sparse and cryptic references in the surviving Anglo-Saxon written documents.

But their actions and deeds have certainly been embellished or totally mythologized.

 

[Cypress]

Including her own.

Agreed on conclusions. It's a smart move to not criticize Christians on a predominantly Christian forum. Lip-service or not.

Isn't there an Arab proverb about the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Cuddling up to Neo-Nazi Christians against Jews would work for Jihadist interests. Notice how the US brought the Shia's and the Sunnis together for a couple of decades? LOL

I don't have a problem criticizing Christianity or Judaism.

But when one combines downplaying the Holocaust, with a history of complaining about Jews and their scripture, while studiously avoiding ever saying anything critical about other world religions, it establishes a pattern.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The mythology of King Solomon is probably analogous to the mythology of King Arthur.

A lot of people want the mythology to be true.

There is probably a nugget of truth about their historical existences. At least in terms of the histories in the TaNaKh, and in sparse and cryptic references in the surviving Anglo-Saxon written documents.

But their actions and deeds have certainly been embellished or totally mythologized.

What about Solomon's mines?

https://www.history.com/news/the-search-continues-for-king-solomons-mines
The Search Continues for King Solomon’s Mines
A recent discovery has shed new light on an age-old mystery.

These mines, however, weren’t filled with gold–they were extensive copper-smelting plants that Glueck maintained were the true source of Solomon’s wealth. Unable to connect archaeological evidence to biblical accounts, however, modern historians soon began to doubt Glueck’s connection of Solomon to the region’s copper production.

For the past few decades, conventional wisdom has held that the ancient Egyptians built most of the mines in the region during the 13th century B.C.—a theory supported by the discovery of an Egyptian temple at the complex in 1969. In 2008, however, researchers located a mining site in neighboring Jordan (known as Khirbat en-Nahas) that archaeological evidence suggested became operational 300 years later that previously assumed, during the 10th century B.C. The following year, another excavation identified a site in Israel’s Timna Valley, dubbed Site 30, which was home to a copper-smelting camp also believed to have been built in same time period as the Jordanian mine— likely too late for an Egyptian settlement but squarely within the biblical timeframe for Solomon’s famed mines.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't have a problem criticizing Christianity or Judaism.

But when one combines downplaying the Holocaust, with a history of complaining about Jews and their scripture, while studiously avoiding ever saying anything critical about other world religions, it establishes a pattern.

Fact-based criticism should be applauded. Spreading lies and misinformation is deplorable.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Not investing in American manufacturing goes waaaaay back. Once CEO's of American corporations realized they could farm out the labor to places where people work for pennies on the dollar without any care for their safety or lives the race was one. That's not a Right or Left thing, that's Money thing. And if there's one thing we truly worship in America it's Mammon.




American manufacturing is expensive because Americans don't like to work for slave wages and don't like to be poisoned or watch their children die from interesting cancers. Just look at how Love Canal harshed our mellow over just burying out trash. A few kids start kickin' off and suddenly Americans are all "My poor kids!" How dare they want a clean environment and livable wages.

So American corporations did what they did to make some more scratch.



I bet you'd change your mind if your kid was growing a tumor in their head.

yes. theyre traitors. thanks.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

You think your corporate overlords didn't see this coming years ago? They're trying to wring out as much profit as possible before advancing to future tech. Meanwhile, the other nations will have passed us by.

China is going to sell their computer chips to someone. They need the money. If the US doesn't buy theirs, who will the Chinese sell to instead?

no.

out leadership joined with other nations to fuck us over.

your lipstick on a pig rings hollow.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Muslim scholar: There is no ‘Palestine’ in the Koran. Allah gave Israel to the Jews.

Sheikh Ahmad Aswan of Jordan posted on Facebook:

I say to those who distort the Lord’s book, the Koran: from where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when Allah has already named it the Holy Land and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment. There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in the Koran. Your demand for the Land of Israel is a falsehood and it constitutes an attack on the Koran, on the Jews and their land. Therefore you won’t succeed, and Allah will fail you and humiliate you, because Allah is the one who will protect them.

The Palestinians are the killers of children, the elderly and women. They attack the Jews and then they use children as human shields and hide behind them without mercy, in order to tell public opinion that the Jews intended to kill them. This is exactly what I saw with my own eyes in the 1970s, when they attacked the Jordanian army which sheltered and protected them. They brought their children forward to face the Jordanian army, in order to make the world believe that the army kills their children. This is their habit and custom, their viciousness, their having hearts of stone, and their lying to public opinion in order to get its support.

https://m.facebook.com/378378918890...llah-gave-israel-to-the-jew/1267337879994726/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

no.

out leadership joined with other nations to fuck us over.

your lipstick on a pig rings hollow.

....and the only solution is to violently overthrow the Fedrul gub'mint, amirite? LOL

 

[goat]

Muslim scholar: There is no ‘Palestine’ in the Koran. Allah gave Israel to the Jews.

Sheikh Ahmad Aswan of Jordan posted on Facebook:

I say to those who distort the Lord’s book, the Koran: from where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when Allah has already named it the Holy Land and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment. There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in the Koran. Your demand for the Land of Israel is a falsehood and it constitutes an attack on the Koran, on the Jews and their land. Therefore you won’t succeed, and Allah will fail you and humiliate you, because Allah is the one who will protect them.

The Palestinians are the killers of children, the elderly and women. They attack the Jews and then they use children as human shields and hide behind them without mercy, in order to tell public opinion that the Jews intended to kill them. This is exactly what I saw with my own eyes in the 1970s, when they attacked the Jordanian army which sheltered and protected them. They brought their children forward to face the Jordanian army, in order to make the world believe that the army kills their children. This is their habit and custom, their viciousness, their having hearts of stone, and their lying to public opinion in order to get its support.

https://m.facebook.com/378378918890...llah-gave-israel-to-the-jew/1267337879994726/

The term "Palestine" first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

The term "Palestine" first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

Did Herodotus say who lived there?

Some commenters on Facebook argue that the Jews are not Israelites, they are 'European'. Do you believe that?

 

[Phyllis Diller]

....and the only solution is to violently overthrow the Fedrul gub'mint, amirite? LOL

nope.

just change trade policy and remove ourselves from the paris accords, and dumb wars.

policy differences.

it's only because you can't justify your policies that you move into deep state provocateur liar mode.

 

[Cypress]

What about Solomon's mines?

https://www.history.com/news/the-search-continues-for-king-solomons-mines
The Search Continues for King Solomon’s Mines
A recent discovery has shed new light on an age-old mystery.

I thought Solomon's mine was reputedly diamonds?

At any rate, people are going to relentlessly continue to look for Ghengis Khan's tomb, the battle site of Badon Hill, and the tomb of Alexander the Great for generations to come. And more power to them!

 

[Cypress]

Even Herodotus wrote about flying snakes.



^^^^QFT.

Also political reasons since early Israel was a theocracy. I always assumed that Deuteronomy (which some scholars think was the lost book found in the Temple by Hilkiah during the reign of Josiah) was a naked attempt to gin up new words of God for political-theological reasons. I'm sure I could be quite mistaken, but usually when a "lost book of the law" is found suddenly it doesn't necessarily indicate a legitimate find.

The thing that made Herodotus something more like a historian was his systematic method of investigation. He didn't claim everything he wrote was true and factual. He was reporting what other people told him. He was using witness testimony. The Egyptians apparently told him some tall tales of fantastic animals in Africa.

 

[goat]

Did Herodotus say who lived there?

Some commenters on Facebook argue that the Jews are not Israelites, they are 'European'. Do you believe that?

I believe Palestinians have lived in Palestine for 1400 years.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I thought Solomon's mine was reputedly diamonds?

At any rate, people are going to relentlessly continue to look for Ghengis Khan's tomb, the battle site of Badon Hill, and the tomb of Alexander the Great for generations to come. And more power to them!

Copper makes sense. Bronze Age and all. Lots of shit happening when civilization collapses. The story of King Arthur came about after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2016/may-june/rise-of-the-chosen-people

According to Scripture, a number of milestones—Moses, the plagues on Egypt, the Exodus and the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai—also occurred toward the end of the Bronze Age ca. 1400bc. The collapse of the Bronze Age around 1200bc occurred during the time of the Judges when the twelve tribes of Israel were moving into the Promised Land of Palestine. This was a "time of anarchy and upheaval" (Judges 21:25; Frank E. Gaebelein, ed. The Expositor's Bible Commentary, Vol. 3. Zondervan: 1992. p. 506) just as archaeologists have found. Egyptian inscriptions reveal that among the Sea Peoples who invaded Palestine were the Shardana and Danuna (possibly the Israelite tribe of Dan) who were circumcised and wore horned helmets (Cline, pp. 1–8), much as the Danish Vikings of a later age have been depicted. Cline suggests "the Israelites took advantage of the havoc caused by the Sea Peoples in Canaan to move in and take control of the region" because they would be "among the groups of peoples who will make up a new world order, emerging out of the chaos that was the end of the Late Bronze Age" (pp. 95–96).