moon
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That would depend upon your ' major points '.
Israeli archaeologist ; No evidence to support Israelites. Old Testament is a myth.
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That would depend upon your ' major points '.
Aren't the major points of history just a backdrop for all the minor points the Bible is about, such as Jesus turning water into wine, definitely a major point for that wedding and for Him but that seems pretty much the extent of it?
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Agreed. Palestine was never a country. Only the malignant idiots, Jihadist murders and the like would dispute the fact.
Jesus was too minor to be noticed by history, so it is impossible to tell. The "rumors" of Jesus are strong, so I would bet he really existed, but what the basic facts of his life were are anyone's guess.
So the later parts of the Old Testament gets the broad strokes of history correct. Maccabean Revolt actually happened. The Second Temple actually existed.
moon
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Only a malignant idiot would dispute fact of Palestine's existence.
Some malignant idiots , such as yourself, also like to advertise their purple penises.
Dutch Uncle
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So no comment on the fact that even your own expert in the OP acknowledges the historicity of the unified Kingdom of David and Solomon three thousand years ago?
I would also add that the Old Testament does not concern itself with the little people, except when they will become big people later. For instance, David was a sheep herder of no importance, but became the King of Israel (according to the Old Testament). Jesus was the son of a carpenter, and became someone who died without a single word being written about it at the time. He could not have been that important, at the time.
I tend to believe both David and Jesus existed. I doubt David was King of Israel, but he probably had a center of power in Jerusalem. Jesus was probably a disciple of John The Baptist (who is recorded to have existed), but I doubt he was born in Bethlehem, or at least not the Bethlehem that David was supposedly born in. There is another Bethlehem, just outside Nazareth. And Nazareth is where Jesus appears to have come from.
That is the informed viewpoint.
There are extremists who believe everything in the OT is literally true, and extremists who think everything in it is a lie.
John the Baptist and Jesus' brother James are attested to by Jewish historian Josephus. Jesus himself is attested to by multiple independent sources.
The thing that seals the deal for me on the historicity of Jesus is that it doesn't make any sense that a committee of men would sit around a table in 35 AD and have decided that an executed criminal whose companions abandoned him upon arrest and crucification, would be the ideal model to base a major Mediterranean religion on.
moon
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Others claim that Solomon was actually an Egyptian pharaoh and that David got stomped by the giant Philistine. That doesn't mean that they didn't exist, it suggests that the Old Testament horseshit has been colored by spurious authors.
You believe what suits you, smear-monger- and I simply object to myth being presented as fact . You are , of course, a liar yourself, so any claims as to the authenticity of anything whatsoever coming from you are methane on the wind.
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Dutch Uncle
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Link, Ms. Purple dick lover? Or is it just something some Jihadist told you while you were bent over a couch?
moon
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Find it, purple dick . I did.
You can research this too; there was no such name as ' David ' - and the actual name used meant ' Uncle'. Doesn't have quite the same mystique, does it.
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John the Baptist was mentioned all over the place. He was a major figure, or at least major enough. Josephus might have mentioned Jesus when he spoke of John the Baptist, but that is more likely added later. It does not make sense in the context.
Pliny the Younger is the first outsider to mention Christianity, and he did it in 112 AD. No one alive at that point would have met Jesus. That means we only have the Christians' word that Jesus even existed.
I have a different, but similar thought. The Bible says that John the Baptist baptized Jesus. If you wanted to convince people that Jesus was the Son of God, wouldn't he baptize John the Baptist. The story is the opposite of how Christians would want it to be, so I believe it is true.
That's not what the expert in your OP says, and you held him out to us as a reputable expert on the Hebrew Bible
I agree.
Nor would the first followers of Jesus make up a story of him being crucified. To first century Jews, being crucified was an indication you were cursed by God, and the Jews of Palestine were expecting the Messiah to be a figure of great power. Not someone who would meekly submit to arrest and being nailed to a piece of wood.
moon
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No, I didn't . That's another of your characteristic manipulations, smear-monger. He's an expert Jewish archaeologist . He just happens to have proven that the Old Testament is invention. You'd be good at that sort of mendacity yourself.
Are you modestly shocked ?
Haw, haw..................................haw.
He didn't say that Uncle got stomped by a giant Philistine, mind, nor that Solomon was an Egyptian Pharaoh. That was some other expert.
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moon
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You really don't have any notion of how stupidly pompous you come across, do you. I can just see you telling kids that you know what 1st century Jews thought. You see, you're the kind of asshole that creates ' soldiers for god '
Dutch Uncle
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You really don't have any notion of how stupidly bigoted and antisemitic you come across, Ms. Moon. Despite your flirtations with my male genitalia, you are still a woman hiding behind her burka in a foreign land.
moon
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Doc Dutch
You're in the wrong thread. The dick thread is over here;
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...es-for-soliciting-dick-pics-from-teenage-boys
When you think of my purple dick do you picture it fully erect and throbbing, Ms. Moon? https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...tation-as-military-superpower-shattered/page6 #83
You're in the wrong thread. The dick thread is over here;
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...es-for-soliciting-dick-pics-from-teenage-boys