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USFREEDOM911 said:
Please explain how asking the voter to show ID, adds a "layer"?
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Because an applicant must physically present themselves, submit documentation and pay a fee to obtain an ID.

Does acquiring a passport add a layer of complexity to international travel?
 
Superfreak said:
Again, THEN GET THEM ID's.... they NEED ONE TO WORK.... are you TRYING to suppress their ability to get a job????



And like I said... that is complete bullshit. Asking someone for ID does not suppress their ability to vote. All they have to do is get the ID that they would need for working, check writing, buying alcohol, flying etc.... If they can't afford it, then we can subsidize....

While I would like to see your data on the 21 million, for now I will assume it is a legit number. Again... it would cost less than the money wasted on Solyndra to pay for each of those 21 million to get ID's.

As for the 21 million.... that is 6.7% of our total population. Given that 24.9% of the population is under 18 that would mean 9% of adults don't have an ID. I find it very hard to believe that is an accurate number. Welfare checks have to be cashed, employment requires ID.... Are all these people living off the grid? How the hell do they function?
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Here in Arizona, it costs $12.00 for a State issued photo ID and get this:
If you're over 65 and getting a Federal Disability check, the fee is waived.

$12.00 FREAKING DOLLARS = ????
12 cans of soda
2 1/2 packs of cigarettes
3 gallons of gas
1 six pack of beer
2/3 of a bottle of JD
??????
 
Superfreak said:
It absolutely was silly. Asking why the Constitution didn't specifically mention this particular issue when in fact the Constitution only mentions voting with regards to discrimination is indeed silly.



So they asked you for an ID to fill out the card, but you have a problem with them asking for an ID when people actually vote?



Curious... what changes to the electoral voting system are you referring to?
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To go along with her "rant-du-jour"; where in the Constitution does it say an ID is needed to drive a car, buy a gun, cash a check, use your debit card, use your credit card, apply for a job, rent an apartment, get a loan, etc., etc., et fucking c.!!
 
Alias said:
They're gonna have to prove who they are to get the photo ID.

Are you in favor of allowing illegal aliens to vote?
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BINGO!!

You hit the nail on it's head.

Obviously they've come to realize that there only chance of winning, is to allow the illegal immigrants to vote; because that way you will have illegal immigrants voting to change immigration laws also.

Kind of like 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting what they intend to have for lunch.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
To go along with her "rant-du-jour"; where in the Constitution does it say an ID is needed to drive a car, buy a gun, cash a check, use your debit card, use your credit card, apply for a job, rent an apartment, get a loan, etc., etc., et fucking c.!!
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Good question.

Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to drive a car, cash a check, use your debit card, use your credit card, apply for a job, rent an apartment, get a loan, etc.?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
BINGO!! You hit the nail on it's head. Obviously they've come to realize that there only chance of winning, is to allow the illegal immigrants to vote; because that way you will have illegal immigrants voting to change immigration laws also. Kind of like 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting what they intend to have for lunch.
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Let's see your evidence that illegal immigrants are voting without ID now.
 
The left needs the illegals, the dead, the martians, and their pets to vote. They're obviously in serious trouble so they're whining as usual.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'll remember this the next time some repub says Affordable Health Care isn't in the Constitution.
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They would be just as silly to use that as justification for opposing it.

The point is that I didn't pay for registering to vote. The application was checked out and accepted and then I was put on the voter roll in my district.
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The point is... if you showed them ID, you DID pay for the ID at some point.

"On September 12, Governor Corbett endorsed changing our system and instead awarding one electoral vote to a presidential candidate for each congressional district they win. It is important to be clear. This is an obscene, transparent, blatantly partisan change in the rules, designed for one purpose only; to help Republican Presidential candidates. Republican leaders are distressed that their candidates have lost Pennsylvania in the past five elections, and they wish to correct this problem, not by fielding better candidates or making more compelling arguments, but by stacking the deck to ensure their nominees receive the majority of Pennsylvania's electoral votes, regardless of how the people of our state actually vote."
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So you oppose states that divide their electoral votes based on districts like Maine and NE currently do? does this not better reflect the will of the voters?

That said, this is a state issue. It is up to the states to decide how they allocate their electoral votes. The above, if anything, helps better reflect the will of the voters.
 
Superfreak said:
So you oppose states that divide their electoral votes based on districts like Maine and NE currently do? does this not better reflect the will of the voters?

That said, this is a state issue. It is up to the states to decide how they allocate their electoral votes. The above, if anything, helps better reflect the will of the voters.
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Dividing based on popular vote in the state would better reflect the will of the people if every state did it that way. Dividing based on legislative district just further incentivizes gerrymandering.
 
Superfreak said:
How does it suppress voting to ask people to show an ID?

This non-stop whining could be resolved with less money than Obama just wasted on Solyndra.
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Because there are large numbers of people who don't carry ID cards. Why should I have to if I don't need one? I'm well over 21 so I don't need one to get booze and I don't use credit cards as I manage my cash well and I also live within walking distance from work, shoping and entertainment in an urban region so I don't need a car. I also live in a free nation where the government serves me and not the other way around and thus have no obligation to carry an ID card, unless driving a motor vehicle. Then when you consider that when I registered to vote I gave my name, signature, address and social security # as forms of identification and that when I vote I, again, give my signature to verify my identity. Now you may not be able to indentify a forged signature but most people with vision can so let me put the ball in your park. What purpose does adding a superflous level of identification serve other then to supress the vote of those who chose not to cary a State issued ID?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then referring back to one of your earlier postings.
We should keep voter ID, until it's completely non-existent; but unti then it's apparent we still need the voter ID.
Thanks for agreeing. :)
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So we should disenfranchise millions of people because of a virtually non-existent problem? That's really smart.
 
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