Ignorance and the Bible

[Dutch Uncle]

English your second language?

If the writer genuinely believed it was true, it's not embellishment or hyperbole.
I don't know whether they did believe it or not.

People have genuinely believed in miracles throughout human history. It seems weird that you don't know that.

As the wise ladies said....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I suspect I have read a shitload more about the history of Christianity than you.

You are pathetic as an advocate for your position.

No doubt you're more learned of Christian beliefs than any of the MAGAts on JPP, including the drunken rapists who support a pedophile for president.

 

[EdwinA]

I suspect I have read a shitload more about the history of Christianity than you.




You are pathetic as an advocate for your position.

You're a nasty little degenerate, so we expect you to rant and babble idiot nonsense.

 

[EdwinA]

There are only 7 Pauline letters.

Is you are correct in what you said ("In fact they didn't even 'outrank' several Greek churches, as shown by letters from Paul addressing various issues.")...you should be able to give a direct quote from one of them showing that you are correct.

Do it, or don't.

I think you will not, because I think your assertion is a bunch of horseshit.

And you haven't read any of them, or you would know Rome was not the center of the church for the first hundreds of years, moron. Not even after the Schism, which of course you don't have a clue about either. You're just some clueless dork.

 

[EdwinA]

No doubt you're more learned of Christian beliefs than any of the MAGAts on JPP, including the drunken rapists who support a pedophile for president.

^^^Douche trying desperately for attention again. lol

 

[EdwinA]

I believe the balance of evidence is that the New Testament we have is a fairly close approximation of what existed in the first century, particularly for the teachings of Jesus. Some of the weakly attested stories, like the virgin birth and walking on water, are probably later embellishments and hyperbole.

The corroborating sources are: late first century/early second century bishops who quoted Mathew, Luke, Mark, and Paul's epistles. Bishop Po!ycarp seems to have been a disciple of the apostle John, and could have interrogated him on what he saw. Fragments of John and Matthew dating to the mid second century track with the extant Medieval manuscripts quite well.

Any single one of these corroborating source is not sufficient evidence, but taken as a whole, the existing manuscript evidence is fairly convincing.

Agreed.

If the Gospels were written later than the time period they are based in, the accounts would be fill of anachronisms and be far less detailed about the time period of Jesus's ministry. That isn't the case. Only people that actually lived then would have the social milieu and names and other details accurate. There are no anachronisms, and everything fits, so it's not even debatable the sources used were accurate and the events current. And there is zero doubt Jesus and the Apostles were educated Jews or mentored by educated Jews.

 

[EdwinA]

but back to our pet discussion.

it could have have been that the westerns created "mohammedism" to splinter eastern empire unity?

this is political shit, having nothing really to do with religion.

Well, at the time Mo was organizing his bandit gang, over two thirds of the town were Christian and Jewish.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Well, at the time Mo was organizing his bandit gang, over two thirds of the town were Christian and Jewish.

The Kaaba: Its Pre-Islamic heritage and transformation

In pre-Islamic times, the Kaaba served as a sacred sanctuary (haram) for the polytheistic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula…

www.pilgrimaps.com

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Well, at the time Mo was organizing his bandit gang, over two thirds of the town were Christian and Jewish.

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Before the rise of Islam, Mecca's religious composition was primarily polytheistic, centered around the worship of various deities, including Hubal and the goddesses al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt. The Kaaba served as a significant shrine housing numerous idols, and there were also smaller communities of Jews and Christians in the region. Wikipedia Lumen Learning

 

[EdwinA]

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Before the rise of Islam, Mecca's religious composition was primarily polytheistic, centered around the worship of various deities, including Hubal and the goddesses al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt. The Kaaba served as a significant shrine housing numerous idols, and there were also smaller communities of Jews and Christians in the region. Wikipedia Lumen Learning

Muslims aren't going to admit there were any significant numbers of Christians and Jews anywhere in Arabia, much less in Mecca and Medina.

 

[EdwinA]

The Kaaba: Its Pre-Islamic heritage and transformation

In pre-Islamic times, the Kaaba served as a sacred sanctuary (haram) for the polytheistic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula…

www.pilgrimaps.com

And most of those tribes weren't urban. Christian and Jews were urban peoples, and the influence of Jewish theology and Christian Prophets traditions make up a large percentage of the Koran's writings, largely plagiarized from Jewish and Christian sources. The plagiarizing from Moses are numerous.

 

[Ross Dolan]

And you haven't read any of them, or you would know Rome was not the center of the church for the first hundreds of years, moron. Not even after the Schism, which of course you don't have a clue about either. You're just some clueless dork.

I have read every one of them. I am still waiting for you to quote anything that backs up that ludicrous statement of yours. But I doubt you will. You know you are full of shit...but you do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that, so you wil continue the diversion.

I will enjoy watching you do what you do so often...divert.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

And most of those tribes weren't urban. Christian and Jews were urban peoples, and the influence of Jewish theology and Christian Prophets traditions make up a large percentage of the Koran's writings, largely plagiarized from Jewish and Christian sources. The plagiarizing from Moses are numerous.

but mecca was dominated by a polytheistic non abrahamic religion, also centered around the Kaaba, but with more IDOLS or statues.

 

[EdwinA]

but mecca was dominated by a polytheistic non abrahamic religion, also centered around the Kaaba, but with more IDOLS or statues.

They were the largest single group, not the entire population.

 

[EdwinA]

I have read every one of them. I am still waiting for you to quote anything that backs up that ludicrous statement of yours. But I doubt you will. You know you are full of shit...but you do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that, so you wil continue the diversion.

I will enjoy watching you do what you do so often...divert.

You're an idiot, and there is nothing you can do that will make you smarter. The eastern sects were the first dominants sects after Jerusalem ceased to be the center, moron. Only imbeciles think otherwise. All it takes is to read the frigging timelines, you stupid deviant gimp.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You're an idiot, and there is nothing you can do that will make you smarter. The eastern sects were the first dominants sects after Jerusalem ceased to be the center, moron. Only imbeciles think otherwise. All it takes is to read the frigging timelines, you stupid deviant gimp.

Hey, Jerkoff...thanks for continuing to yank my thing.

Anyway...still waiting for you to quote anything from Paul that agrees with what you are saying. You only have to read through 7 epistles...no big project for someone like you.

I know, I know...you will pretend that it is not necessary. But give it a try. It might make your brain close to half as efficient as you apparently suppose it to be.

I must acknowledge that it is nice to know that people as full of shit as you...are still allowed to roam free. No need to lock you up for being full of shit. All the rest of us have to do is to keep a handkerchief with a bit of clean smell on it handy. In case one of us encounters someone like you in non-cyber life, we can get through the ordeal by keeping the handkerchief close to our nostrils.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

They were the largest single group, not the entire population.

but still.

Islam was created by the western branch of Christianity (definitely NOT catholic) to destabilize the byzantine empire.

its good to study dark age realpolitik instead of living in lies.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Muslims aren't going to admit there were any significant numbers of Christians and Jews anywhere in Arabia, much less in Mecca and Medina.

they were mostly polytheists, not judeo-christian, which isn't a thing.

 

[EdwinA]

Hey, Jerkoff...thanks for continuing to yank my thing.

Anyway...still waiting for you to quote anything from Paul that agrees with what you are saying. You only have to read through 7 epistles...no big project for someone like you.

I know, I know...you will pretend that it is not necessary. But give it a try. It might make your brain close to half as efficient as you apparently suppose it to be.

I must acknowledge that it is nice to know that people as full of shit as you...are still allowed to roam free. No need to lock you up for being full of shit. All the rest of us have to do is to keep a handkerchief with a bit of clean smell on it handy. In case one of us encounters someone like you in non-cyber life, we can get through the ordeal by keeping the handkerchief close to our nostrils.

Ross can't refute anything, which is why he's ranting and whining. He thinks people have to take orders from morons like himself, even though it;s blatantly obvious I'm 100% right and he's just a dumbass.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Ross can't refute anything, which is why he's ranting and whining. He thinks people have to take orders from morons like himself, even though it;s blatantly obvious I'm 100% right and he's just a dumbass.

Okay...still unable to quote anything from Paul backing your contentions. Figures, because I doubt there is anything that Paul wrote that does back that bullshit up.

But it would be silly to suppose and asshole like you would have the ethical wherewithal to simply that.

Continue with the bullshit. Only your fellow MAGA morons will buy it.