If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

gmark77 said:
I would dearly love to meet a person who, without ever hearing of the Bible or any details of Christianity, who could come up with the concepts behind Christianity without reliance on the Bible or Christian writings. Just from "first principles".

Any religion for that matter.
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One has to go back. I suppose as far back as when humanity crept out the primordial swamp in the form of tetrapods, and their first excursions into a totally new, almost unhabitual and hostile environment that they overcame, hence us now.

The reasons these, our most distant ancestors, survived was becos they followed the Natural law that drove them forward to evolve...the primary function of existence on this planet.

There is no other law (religion) down here other than this law. Odd that most in this current world of massive access to info still can't see basic observable truths . Really strange imo
 
James said:
One has to go back. I suppose as far back as when humanity crept out the primordial swamp in the form of tetrapods, and their first excursions into a totally new, almost unhabitual and hostile environment that they overcame, hence us now.

The reasons these, our most distant ancestors, survived was becos they followed the Natural law that drove them forward to evolve...the primary function of existence on this planet.

There is no other law (religion) down here other than this law. Odd that most in this current world of massive access to info still can't see basic observable truths . Really strange imo
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but what matters about religion is the moral code and how it engenders cooperation.

human cooperation is the reasons for our massive success as a species.

of course there are dark forces dehumanizing humans at this moment, telling us that shortcuts and evil and fraud and murder are best, but those are evil demonic forces, bent on dehumanization and demoralization.
 
gmark77 said:
I would dearly love to meet a person who, without ever hearing of the Bible or any details of Christianity, who could come up with the concepts behind Christianity without reliance on the Bible or Christian writings. Just from "first principles".

Any religion for that matter.
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It wouldn't happen because, again, there's no evidence for the Christian god or the Muslim God or the Hindu God or the Mormon god TODAY.

Very, very early on I said that if all Bibles were wiped off the face of the Earth and all memories of Christianity erased from the minds of every human, Christianity would never recreate itself. How would it?
 
Monad Portal said:
but what matters about religion is the moral code and how it engenders cooperation.
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What moral code? There's no inherent moral code in religion, which is why what is/isn't moral isn't even consistent in the Bible.

It's Devine preference, not an objective, inherent morality.

On a side note, what's moral about allowing 5 million children, under the age of 5, die every year?
 
ZenMode said:
What moral code? There's no inherent moral code in religion, which is why what is/isn't moral isn't even consistent in the Bible.

It's Devine preference, not an objective, inherent morality.

On a side note, what's moral about allowing 5 million children, under the age of 5, die every year?
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The Bible does have moral codes, but agreed there is a clear difference between the morality of the OT vs. the NT.

On JPP, all the MAGA morons favor the OT morality and rarely, if ever, speak of the NT morality such as "Love thy neighbor" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". This is a clue that MAGAts aren't Christian and only pay lip-service to Jesus Christ. In short, they are all evil, mammon-worshiping followers of the Dark Lord. Sad.
 
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