If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[ZenMode]

Jesus H. Christ. So many words...no improvement.

Here, let me help you. You wrote: "I haven't withdrawn anything. The two changes I made to the ten Commandments made it more relevant today than when God made it. That is the problem that you insist on ignoring, for reasons that are obvious."

Here is how I would have written that bolded part. You may see it as an improvement or you may consider your phrasing to be superior:

The two changes I made to the Ten Commandments made it more relevant today than when your supposed "god" wrote them.

So...does your rendition do greater justice to your position...or does mine?

To my position.

Why would the all-knowing, perfect creator of all things screw up? Why can I improve his master list of rules for all of mankind? Why would he, as @Monad Portal claims, have to send himself to fix his mistakes? I thought he was perfect. I thought he was all-knowing. I thought he existed outside of time and space. I thought he was "surprised by nothing", so why didn't he get morality perfectly right from the start? Why is he out slaughtering innocent children and drowning the world because his creation was poorly designed?

The reason why seems pretty obvious. It's because MAN wrote the rules. MAN implemented HIS flawed views of morality that another man, Jesus, then had to "correct" for the Jews. Why is that the case? Because MAN, as he has done for thousands of years, manufacturers supernatural beings and, in the case of Christianity and other religions, believers in those gods/books have to retrofit their new, updated morality into their outdated, flawed beliefs and books.

 

[Monad Portal]

To my position.

Why would the all-knowing, perfect creator of all things screw up? Why can I improve his master list of rules for all of mankind? Why would he, as @Monad Portal claims, have to send himself to fix his mistakes? I thought he was perfect. I thought he was all-knowing. I thought he existed outside of time and space. I thought he was "surprised by nothing", so why didn't he get morality perfectly right from the start? Why is he out slaughtering innocent children and drowning the world because his creation was poorly designed?

you're getting hung up on the backstory.

just implement the golden rule in your life and stfu.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Even today's legal system agrees with me. Patterns of behavior are a significant in court cases.

We are not in a court case...we are discussing (perhaps, debating) an issue.

Anyway...let's see the logic.

It's not just the Patterns, It's the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible. It's God endorsing clearly immoral behavior and then changing his mind. That sounds a lot more like man wrote "God's" rules and then man changed his mind and then man is left trying to retrofit man's new morality into what the Bible taught.

We're seeing it happen today with homosexuality as churches (man) struggle to adjust.

So...you were not even willing to give logic a try. I don't blame you...you should not call what you are doing logical, because it is far from a product of logic. It is, as I have said, a product of a blind guess...and insistence that the blind guess is correct. (Just like the theists do.)

Anyway, I resent as much as you do, the intrusion of SOME Biblical "teachings" into our judicial system. Any laws against adult, consensual homosexual sex is bullshit...for instance. In fact, most laws against adult, consensual sex should be shitcanned.

But that has nothing to do with the blind guesses atheists and religionists make about the REALITY of existence. And fighting to end the intrusion of unwanted religious sanctions is HARMED by atheism much more than helped. Atheism will NEVER truly defeat religionism, because it is a contest between two different blind guesses. Only the truth will ever make a significant dent in religious intrusion...and the truth is WE DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY GODS...AND WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT ANY GODS THAT MIGHT EXIST ASK OF US.

You ought to try that on for size. It might fit.

 

[Ross Dolan]

To my position.

Why would the all-knowing, perfect creator of all things screw up? Why can I improve his master list of rules for all of mankind? Why would he, as @Monad Portal claims, have to send himself to fix his mistakes? I thought he was perfect. I thought he was all-knowing. I thought he existed outside of time and space. I thought he was "surprised by nothing", so why didn't he get morality perfectly right from the start? Why is he out slaughtering innocent children and drowning the world because his creation was poorly designed?

A better question is: Why do you consider inconsistencies in this god to be an indicator that no gods exist?

 

[Monad Portal]

We are not in a court case...we are discussing (perhaps, debating) an issue.

Anyway...let's see the logic.

So...you were not even willing to give logic a try. I don't blame you...you should not call what you are doing logical, because it is far from a product of logic. It is, as I have said, a product of a blind guess...and insistence that the blind guess is correct. (Just like the theists do.)

Anyway, I resent as much as you do, the intrusion of SOME Biblical "teachings" into our judicial system. Any laws against adult, consensual homosexual sex is bullshit...for instance. In fact, most laws against adult, consensual sex should be shitcanned.

But that has nothing to do with the blind guesses atheists and religionists make about the REALITY of existence. And fighting to end the intrusion of unwanted religious sanctions is HARMED by atheism much more than helped. Atheism will NEVER truly defeat religionism, because it is a contest between two different blind guesses. Only the truth will ever make a significant dent in religious intrusion...and the truth is WE DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY GODS...AND WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT ANY GODS THAT MIGHT EXIST ASK OF US.

You ought to try that on for size. It might fit.

morality is not a blind guess.

cooperation works and is the key to human success.

don't listen to pychotics trying to normalize their evil.

 

[ZenMode]

A better question is: Why do you consider inconsistencies in this god to be an indicator that no gods exist?

Already explained, as it relates to the Christian god, in the post you replied to with the above question.

As it relates to "unknown" gods/a creator of all, I also already explained that. Throughout time, all the things that man couldn't understand, and manufactured gods to help them explain, were proven to be explainable by science, so the argument of "well, I don't understand where all this came from, so it must have been a god" is likely nothing more than a modern version of "I don't understand where the flashing lights and loud noise in in the sky comes from, so it must be a god".

 

[ZenMode]

Already explained, as it relates to the Christian god, in the post you replied to with the above question.

As it relates to "unknown" gods/a creator of all, I also already explained that. Throughout time, all the things that man couldn't understand, and manufactured gods to help them explain, were proven to be explainable by science, so the argument of "well, I don't understand where all this came from, so it must have been a god" is likely nothing more than a modern version of "I don't understand where the flashing lights and loud noise in in the sky comes from, so it must be a god".

@Ross Dolan

So, can you explain to me why this time it's different? With the long history of man wrongly attributing events to gods, why should I believe that this time is different?