If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Cypress]

morality and cooperation are survivalistically beneficial!!

stop lying!

There is no evolutionary benefit to aiding strangers, rivals, enemies, and there is no evolutionary benefit to the golden rule outside your own family, tribal, or social group.

There is no evolutionary benefit risking your life and your resources for complete strangers.

That's why you never see it practiced in the animal world, with the possible exception of the sentient higher mammals like elephants and dolphins.

 

[Monad Portal]

There is no evolutionary benefit to aiding strangers, rivals, enemies, and there is no evolutionary benefit to the golden rule outside your own family, tribal, or social group.

There is no evolutionary benefit risking your life and your resources for complete strangers.

That's why you never see it practiced in the animal world, with the possible exception of the sentient higher mammals like elephants and dolphins.

so wrong.

so evil.

I am monad.
hear me.
manifest now.
I recognize the archon inside Cypress.

It will no longer be able to act through cypress.

it is so.

Thanks, real god.

 

[Cypress]

so wrong!

so evil!

What you keep describing is not morality. You are describing self-interest based on the ideas of reciprocity and mutually advantageous cooperation.

There is no scientific Darwinian evolutionary benefit to risking your life and all your money for the welfare of complete strangers.

 

[Monad Portal]

What you keep describing is not morality. You are describing self-interest based on the ideas of reciprocity and mutually advantageous cooperation.

its is.
that's called a win/win

There is no scientific Darwinian evolutionary benefit to risking your life and all your money for the welfare of complete strangers.

whole nations cooperate, companies cooperate. at every level cooperation is key.

You're just a war propagandist and peace and mutual gain are anathema to your sickening love of mass murder.

 

[Cypress]

whole nations cooperate, companies cooperate. at every level cooperation is key!

Look at Russia's invasion of Ukraine, or the entire history of human warfare and then tell me with a straight face that cooperation and benevolence between nations is the norm.

I worked in a multinational corporation. Chevron, Shell, and BP were our competitors, not our friends and comrades.

The New Testament, the Tao Te Ching, the Dhammapada are all asking us to transcend our petty and selfish natural state - and search deep within for the objective moral truth imprinted somewhere on our conscience.

 

[Monad Portal]

Look at Russia's invasion of Ukraine, or the entire history of human warfare and then tell me with a straight face that cooperation and benevolence between nations is the norm.

not with you archontic infected people causing it all.

The New Testament, the Tao Te Ching, the Dhammapada are all asking us to transcend our petty and selfish natural state - and look deep within for the objective moral truth imprinted on our conscience.

everyone finds that cooperation works.
that's why all religions have similar moral truths, it's the same inside everyone, that's why it's universal.
and it transcends tribes,
and works in reality often, and would work more often if the war mongers quit hating on moralty.

game set match.

 

[Monad Portal]

cypress = butt eating Satan worshipper.

 

[Jake Starkey]

If you think "I do not know" is illogical...not much I can do but say it. It is something I choose to do rather than something I must.

OK

 

[Jake Starkey]

What you keep describing is not morality. You are describing self-interest based on the ideas of reciprocity and mutually advantageous cooperation.

There is no scientific Darwinian evolutionary benefit to risking your life and all your money for the welfare of complete strangers.

I think you are wrong.

 

[Cypress]

everyone finds that cooperation works!!

The most cursory review of human history proves this statement wrong.

Cooperation is a completely different concept from morality. Cooperation is based on the ideas of reciprocity and mutually advantageous cooperation. That is ultimately about self-intetest.

Morality is the genuine willingness to self sacrifice for the welfare of others, even if they are complete strangers.

When Oskar Schindler was risking his life and sacrificing his wealth, he wasn't sitting there thinking about how to make society more cooperative. He was motivated to act because he witnessed pure evil.

 

[Monad Portal]

The most cursory review of human history proves this statement wrong.

Cooperation is a completely different concept from morality. Cooperation is based on the ideas of reciprocity and mutually advantageous cooperation. That is ultimately about self-intetest.

Morality is the genuine willingness to self sacrifice for the welfare of others, even if they are complete strangers.

When Oskar Schindler was risking his life and sacrificing his wealth, he wasn't sitting there thinking about how to make society more cooperative. He was motivated to act because he witnessed pure evil.

we cooperate more than we don't, despite your created wars.

you just want to change that and you deny the truth of it.

you shall quit lying henceforth.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Militant atheism and theism are so boring. Just exchanging opinions.

 

[Cypress]

we cooperate more than we don't, despite your created wars.

you just want to change that and you deny the truth of it.

you shall quit lying henceforth.

Cooperation is based on the expectation of reciprocity and mutual advantage. In other words, it's ultimately based on self-interest.

Moral decisions are based on the idea of self sacrifice for the welfare of others, with zero expectation of reciprocity or getting paid back in kind.

That's the lesson of the parable of the good Samaritan.

 

[gfm7175]

Right but, again, they believed that the sky was full of water,

The sky IS "full of water" (meaning that it contains water). Did you know that water isn't always in liquid form?

so there has to be something solid to hold the water in place

Nah.

and little windows to let the rain in occasionally.

Nah. Rain occurs without windows.

I don't deny the Bible.

... as a collection of "stories", but you DO deny it as the Word of God.

It's a book of stories just like Harry Potter.

The Bible doesn't contain ANY "non-fiction" historical accounts? Nothing at all about the history of the Israelites? Nothing at all about the history of Jesus, or his disciples, etc? None of those people actually existed, and none of those events actually happened? Is that what you're saying?

Why? It doesn't change the fact that OT writers thought there was a solid structure keeping the sky rivers from falling on them.

When did you last speak to any OT writers? Am I likewise able to speak to them for myself, or do their voices only exist inside of your own mind?

 

[Monad Portal]

Cooperation is based on the expectation of reciprocity and mutual advantage. In other words, it's ultimately based on self-interest.

in a way yes.

both parties get self interested needs me through cooperation.

still a win win.

Moral decisions are based on the idea of self sacrifice for the welfare of others, with zero expectation of reciprocity or getting paid back in kind.

no that's people in denial, and virtue signalling and ultimately false.

That's the lesson of the parable of the good Samaritan.

no. the lesson is that people from other tribes can be good.

it's a rejection of tribalism.

you're dumb and wrong.

 

[Monad Portal]

Pay it forward.

if enough individuals adopt a pay it forward mentality, everyone will eventually receive, without even actually having any prior individual relationship.

it's called a high trust society, you devil-worshipping stupid lizard.

 

[IBDaMann]

some scientist say

Already covered.

the dots and squiggles are

... random background noise.

you have not successfully

... shown a quark.

now you're just being an egomaniac asshole.

 

[IBDaMann]

Neutrinos are detected indirectly from chemical or nuclear interactions.

Neutrinos are completely unfalsifiable things, like invisible, purple lunar leprechauns, They are entirely theorized as things that cannot be observed/detected. Someone might very well fix beta decay science one day with a correct model that doesn't require unfalsifiable corrections.

Particle physicists consider

You don't speak for anyone but yourself.

neutrinos and quarks to be real ...

... completely theoretical things that cannot be detected/observed/discovered.

They look exactly like invisible purple lunar leprechauns.

... not just theoretical mathematical abstractions.

I hope you are prepared to be disappointed.

 

[Monad Portal]

Already covered.


... random background noise.



... shown a quark.

now you're just being an egomaniac asshole.

you have not proven that the provided squiggle and dots are in err.

at this point I trust the hadrons.

so eat a dick.

 

[IBDaMann]

Nothing can be proven, but the most convincing evidence put forth seems to be:

-Something coming from nothing.

How are you defining "nothing" in this case?

-Order coming from chance and chaos.

The only order you have shown is randomness.

-Mathematically rational cosmic organization.

The only rational cosmic organization that you have shown is completely random distribution.

-The improbable fine tuning of the universe.

The universe is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% hostile to terrestrial life. If the universe is fine-tuned then the fine-tuning was done by a sadistic HATER.

-The logical inference that life cannot come from non-life.

It is illogical to deny that it happened.

-The logical inference that the rational cannot come from the irrational.

How does that help your case?

-The improbability that a universal moral law transcending natural evolutionary requirements would appear by chance.

Fallacy. Very unlikely things happen everywhere all the time.

-The observation that the vast majority of humans ever since the Paleolithic era have perceived a transcendent reality beyond matter and energy.

So, if you weren't allowed to pretend to speak for anyone else,, you'd have absolutely nothing.

There is no known evolutionary requirement for humans to hold those beliefs.

I appreciate you recognizing evolutionary requirements.