If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Monad Portal]

Yes, it matters. It is the crux of the issue. Quarks cannot be observed; ergo, they are not observed as dots, as fairies, as climate forcings or as anything else. They have never been confirmed. Quarks have been claimed to have been confirmed, but naturally all explanation as to how they were supposedly confirmed is never mentioned, because it can't be, because quarks cannot be observed/detected/confirmed.


That's the discarded claim, yes.


I appreciate the vote for freedom. You are free to argue that you have detected the undetectable.

some scientist say the dots and squiggles are subatomic particles.

you have not successfully debunked the colliders.

now you're just being an egomaniac asshole.

 

[Monad Portal]

It is truth.

its bullshit, masonic douche boy.

 

[Into the Night]

the colliders are producing little squiggly grams that have curly lines and dots.

Which means nothing. A quark isn't lines and dots.

its something.

you can say it isn't anything.

but I believe the hadrons.

What hadrons? Is this your religion now?

 

[Into the Night]

but variables do represent unknown quantities.

why are you willing to act retarded to achieve your goals?

what;s that about?

Logic is not a variable. Variables represent known quantities.

 

[Into the Night]

The fractional charges of quarks have been measured indirectly by the world's best particle physicists working at the world's most prestigious high energy physics laboratories.

Not possible.

The masses of the six kinds of quarks have been measured indirectly by the world's best particle physicists working at the world's most prestigious high energy physics laboratories.

Not possible.

MeV and GeV can be converted to mass equivalent by dividing by c-squared.

Unit error.

That is the conventional way particle physicists report quark mass.

Unit error.

The quantum spin of quarks have been determined indirectly by the world's best particle physicists working at the world's most prestigious high energy physics laboratories.

Not possible.

You seem to be ignoring Schrodinger and Heisenberg again.

 

[Into the Night]

The blue water lands of Heaven?

The blue water lands of Heaven?

Right but, again, they believed that the sky was full of water, so there has to be something solid to hold the water in place and little windows to let the rain in occasionally.

The sky IS full of water.

Right but, again, they believed that the sky was full of water, so there has to be something solid to hold the water in place and little windows to let the rain in occasionally.

The sky IS full of water.

I don't deny the Bible.

Yes you do. You deny it and then quote it!

It's a book of stories just like Harry Potter.

Nope. Harry Potter was never represented as a god.

Why? It doesn't change the fact that OT writers thought there was a solid structure keeping the sky rivers from falling on them.

No, they didn't. Go learn English, Latin, and Hebrew.

 

[Monad Portal]

Logic is not a variable. Variables represent known quantities.

nobody said logic is a variable, shit- eating fool.

why don't you give up your addiction to stupidity and quit ruining good threads.

your contributions are a broken window that needs fixing to save the neighborhood.

 

[Monad Portal]

I love ruining threads and being dumb.

we know.

 

[Monad Portal]

Which means nothing. A quark isn't lines and dots.

What hadrons? Is this your religion now?

you have not successfully debunked hadrons.

 

[Into the Night]

Spanish has maintained the word all this time.

arrepentirse - to regret [ ar (denotes the verb form of repentance), repent, ir (indicates "ir" conjugation), se (reflexive verb) ]




I have a few questions. This happens to be a huge atheist/Christian debate topic, mostly because Christians have many flavors of repentance.

A. The main one: Does repentance matter or is faith alone all that is needed? Take the case of a faithful individual who doesn't acknowledge an error. Does it matter? Does someone who is already "saved" really need Jesus Christ to keep on forgiving him?

Yes. It matters. No one can 'save' themselves. That is up to the decision of Jesus Christ.

B. Jesus died to save everyone; is He really going to go through all that just to not forgive someone a trespass?

That can certainly happen, yes. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ does not save everyone. Some refuse to be 'saved'.

C. Atheists and Protestants agree on your second point, but Catholics believe that Contrition, i.e. "confessing to a priest" absolves one of his sins. The wronged party is never faced or compensated because God has already done the forgiving, which is all that matters in Catholicism. (In Catholicism, one's soul is like one's clothing; it needs to be laundered periodically, which is what Contrition accomplishes, and one is free to go as long as one wants without laundering one's clothes, but he will be judged by his attire at the moment his time comes and the bouncer in the sky decides whether or not he gets into the club).

In Catholicism, they've got it wrong. They do not understand the steps required for repentance to occur. They deny much of he gospel while emphasizing officious acts. Remember, this is the church that conducted the Inquisition and spent it's time arguing about how many angles could fit on the head of a pin.

The Protestants aren't much better, encouraging woke policies and even Jesus Christ himself being a woman.

D. Are the five items you list above an algorithm or can they be done in a different order, e.g. forgive oneself first and jump out of the block of code?

Not a fixed block of code. Generally, however, the order I gave is the usual way. For instance, you can hardly work to mitigate the effects of an error until you acknowledge the error in the first place. What would you be trying to mitigate? How can you forgive yourself if you first don't acknowledge the error occurred?

E. Your last item in the list above indicates that one must follow the promptings and teachings of Jesus Christ, i.e. be a good person and live a good life, ... but that maxim seems to immediately get tossed out the 1-cubit x 1-cubit window every time, and replaced with "faith is all that matters", i.e. it's only a question of what one believes, which totally nullifies that final item on your list.

I did qualify that statement. Go back and look at the qualifier.

I really was just playing on the word "repent" as a repetition of a "pent". I was trying to figure out his angle on why repentence even matters; Christians have different meanings of "repentence", each with differing requirements to differing ends. But now that you mention it, I think "pent" is a much better word than "sin", although one might get the impression that they somehow come in fives.

Sin is the error. Pent is the regret from the error. Repent works to remove that regret by doing what you can to mitigate the effects of that error and seeking forgiveness from those so wronged.

In my mind, this is the heart of the matter, and falls under "justice",

Rather astute of you. Yes. It falls under justice and mercy. Mercy cannot rob justice. You must answer for your transgression through repentence.

Even a judge will look favorably on someone that is truly sorry for the transgression, works to restore what is right, and turns away from that transgression. A judge will NOT look favorably on one that has no remorse whatsoever, and might even try to challenge the judge's authority.

but it's something that we can all handle here on Earth at our own personal level.

Quite right. It's not an easy process, but it works.

Well put. I think atheists stand with you on this one.

From my dealings with atheists such as yourself. I agree. I really haven't met an arrogant atheist. Arrogance comes from a need to put down others to puff ourself up. It's a selfish behavior. It happens to often be the behavior found in a fundamentalist.

I think atheists would agree with those teachings if for no other reason.

Nice to hear it! For those that go through this difficult process, it truly can erase any regret and everyone can go on with their life, the error forgotten. Expunging this sort of thing isn't easy, but it's definitely worth it!

 

[Into the Night]

you have not successfully debunked hadrons.

What 'hadrons'?

 

[Monad Portal]

I eat monkey poop.

 

[Into the Night]

some scientist say the dots and squiggles are subatomic particles.

Some 'scientists' say they can create energy out of nothing as well. I know other scientists that obtained research money to find out which way a dog likes to face when it defecates.

Science isn't scientists. It isn't even people at all.

you have not successfully debunked the colliders.

I'm not trying to.

now you're just being an egomaniac asshole.

No, you just have no idea what a collider does.

It is not possible to measure a quark. It is not possible to see a quark. They are theory only.

 

[Monad Portal]

Some 'scientists' say they can create energy out of nothing as well. I know other scientists that obtained research money to find out which way a dog likes to face when it defecates.

Science isn't scientists. It isn't even people at all.

I'm not trying to.

No, you just have no idea what a collider does.

It is not possible to measure a quark. It is not possible to see a quark. They are theory only.

you have not debunked the hadron collider findings.

fuck off idiot.

and then shut the fuck up.

 

[Ross Dolan]

If you must say so.

If you think "I do not know" is illogical...not much I can do but say it. It is something I choose to do rather than something I must.

 

[Cypress]

Science only accepts direct measures!

Neutrinos are detected indirectly from chemical or nuclear interactions.

Particle physicists consider neutrinos and quarks to be real subatomic particles, not just theoretical mathematical abstractions.

 

[Cypress]

Unit error!!

E = mc^2, therefore it follows m = E/c^2

Therefore the quark mass equivalents given in electron volts is GeV divided by c-squared.

 

[Monad Portal]

If you think "I do not know" is illogical...not much I can do but say it. It is something I choose to do rather than something I must.

Jake is a fucking retard.

everyone has to find out for themselves.

is it worth the journey?

maybe. you can see new lows and spinelessness to add to your catalogue of human horrors.

 

[Cypress]

Other than the Bible, or other religious books, what evidence is there for gods?

Nothing can be proven, but the most convincing evidence put forth seems to be:

-Something coming from nothing.
-Order coming from chance and chaos.
-Mathematically rational cosmic organization.
-The improbable fine tuning of the universe.
-The logical inference that life cannot come from non-life.
-The logical inference that the rational cannot come from the irrational.
-The improbability that a universal moral law transcending natural evolutionary requirements would appear by chance.
-The observation that the vast majority of humans ever since the Paleolithic era have perceived a transcendent reality beyond matter and energy. There is no known evolutionary requirement for humans to hold those beliefs.

 

[Monad Portal]

Nothing can be proven, but the most convincing evidence put forth seems to be:

-Something coming from nothing.
-Order coming from chance and chaos.
-Mathematically rational cosmic organization.
-The improbable fine tuning of the universe.
-The logical inference that life cannot come from non-life.
-The logical inference that the rational cannot come from the irrational.
-The improbability that a universal moral law transcending natural evolutionary requirements would appear by chance.
-The observation that the vast majority of humans ever since the Paleolithic era have perceived a transcendent reality beyond matter and energy. There is no known evolutionary requirement for humans to hold those beliefs.

no.

morality and cooperation are survivalistically beneficial.

stop lying.