‘I Voted for Barack Because He Was Black’

This thread is . . . not sure how to describe it. It isn't really funny but it kind of is and sad just doesn't do it justice.

Bunch of privileged white guys getting their knickers in a knot because a black man who lived through the civil rights movement had the audacity to say that he voted for the first black presidential candidate because he was black all while invoking MLK (aside bit of trivia: Jackson was one of his pall bearers) and declaring that our "racist past" is kept alive and well by white people being sympathetic to that decision.

No...its not funny and yes, it is kinda sad......actually its shows some voters to be pitiful morons.....

You just refuse to recognize the double standards practiced in this country........

I don't believe a vast majority of blacks voted for Obama just because hes black and I realize some blacks did not vote for him......these voters voted because of they are ideologically Democrats or Republicans .... liberals or conservatives....... or they believed we needed change...or believed his rhetoric during the campaign....

Blacks have been voting for white men for decades, because they were Democrats.....that was the determining factor....they didn't sit at home and not vote.

If you admit you did or did not vote for someone solely on the basis of race, you are by definition a racist....thats just the plain fact of the matter......
 
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Define racism. We seem not to be using the same definition.

My dictionary says, RACISM:

"discrimination on the basis of race".....

And to help you further,

DISCRIMINATION :

Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners.

Is that not a fair definition ? Is it fair in limiting it to a particular skin color.... ?
 
No...its not funny and yes, it is kinda sad......actually its shows some voters to be pitiful morons.....

You just refuse to recognize the double standards practiced in this country........

I don't believe a vast majority of blacks voted for Obama just because hes black and I realize some blacks did not vote for him......these voters voted because of they are ideologically Democrats or Republicans .... liberals or conservatives....... or they believed we needed change...or believed his rhetoric during the campaign....

Blacks have been voting for white men for decades, because they were Democrats.....that was the determining factor....they didn't sit at home and not vote.

If you admit you did or did not vote for someone solely on the basis of race, you are by definition a racist....thats just the plain fact of the matter......



Yes, there is a double standard. And there should be one. The black experience in America and in American electoral politics is quite a bit different from the experiences of white people. The same goes for women. I'm sure some black primary voters voted for Obama because he's black and I'm sure that some female primary voters voted for Hillary because she's a woman. Does that make those voters a bunch of racists and sexists?

In any event, I don't see voting for a person because of their race as racist. I see not voting for someone because of their race as racist. I mean, Samuel L. Jackson is an older guy. This wasn't his first rodeo. I'm sure he voted for a white guy in the past. It isn't as though he abstained from electoral politics until 2008 because he refused to vote for white guys. That being the case, I fail to see how voting for Obama because he is black (as opposed to not voting for McCain because he's white) is racist. I just don't see it as a decision based on animosity towards white people so I don't see it as racist.
 
Define racism. We seem not to be using the same definition.
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define define, because the last time I defined something for you, you kept asking for more and more definitions. Tell you what... you go to websters or another dictionary and post the definition, then post what is confusing you. We can then go from there.
 
Yes, there is a double standard. And there should be one. The black experience in America and in American electoral politics is quite a bit different from the experiences of white people. The same goes for women. I'm sure some black primary voters voted for Obama because he's black and I'm sure that some female primary voters voted for Hillary because she's a woman. Does that make those voters a bunch of racists and sexists?

In any event, I don't see voting for a person because of their race as racist. I see not voting for someone because of their race as racist. I mean, Samuel L. Jackson is an older guy. This wasn't his first rodeo. I'm sure he voted for a white guy in the past. It isn't as though he abstained from electoral politics until 2008 because he refused to vote for white guys. That being the case, I fail to see how voting for Obama because he is black (as opposed to not voting for McCain because he's white) is racist. I just don't see it as a decision based on animosity towards white people so I don't see it as racist.

that is all we need to know....
 
Yes, there is a double standard. And there should be one. The black experience in America and in American electoral politics is quite a bit different from the experiences of white people. The same goes for women. I'm sure some black primary voters voted for Obama because he's black and I'm sure that some female primary voters voted for Hillary because she's a woman. Does that make those voters a bunch of racists and sexists?

In any event, I don't see voting for a person because of their race as racist. I see not voting for someone because of their race as racist. I mean, Samuel L. Jackson is an older guy. This wasn't his first rodeo. I'm sure he voted for a white guy in the past. It isn't as though he abstained from electoral politics until 2008 because he refused to vote for white guys. That being the case, I fail to see how voting for Obama because he is black (as opposed to not voting for McCain because he's white) is racist. I just don't see it as a decision based on animosity towards white people so I don't see it as racist.

So tell us... if a white person said they voted for McCain because he is white... how would you react? What would your response be?

That it is ok for a white person to say they voted for McCain because he is white. Because you wouldn't see that as a decision based on animosity towards black people so it wouldn't be racist?

Is that what you would say? If not, do clarify for us.
 
Yes, there is a double standard. And there should be one. The black experience in America and in American electoral politics is quite a bit different from the experiences of white people. The same goes for women. I'm sure some black primary voters voted for Obama because he's black and I'm sure that some female primary voters voted for Hillary because she's a woman. Does that make those voters a bunch of racists and sexists?

To some degree....YES.

In any event, I don't see voting for a person because of their race as racist. I see not voting for someone because of their race as racist. I mean, Samuel L. Jackson is an older guy. This wasn't his first rodeo. I'm sure he voted for a white guy in the past. It isn't as though he abstained from electoral politics until 2008 because he refused to vote for white guys. That being the case, I fail to see how voting for Obama because he is black (as opposed to not voting for McCain because he's white) is racist. I just don't see it as a decision based on animosity towards white people so I don't see it as racist.

You don't understand that both are the same thing ?......yours is the convoluted logic of AA supporters.....
Thats about says it all.....no further explanation is required......your ignorance, partisanship, bias, etc., shouts from the rooftops.......



And really,,,,,Jackson has most likely never, ever voted Republican in his entire life.....but his remark is racist
 
You don't understand that both are the same thing ?......yours is the convoluted logic of AA supporters.....
Thats about says it all.....no further explanation is required......your ignorance, partisanship, bias, etc., shouts from the rooftops.......


They aren't the same thing. Not voting for someone because of their race is borne out of animosity towards their race, while voting for someone because of their race is not. One it racist, the other isn't.
 
So tell us... if a white person said they voted for McCain because he is white... how would you react? What would your response be?

That it is ok for a white person to say they voted for McCain because he is white. Because you wouldn't see that as a decision based on animosity towards black people so it wouldn't be racist?

Is that what you would say? If not, do clarify for us.


I'd tell such a person that he or she is a fucking idiot. I thought I made this clear a few dozen posts ago.
 
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define define, because the last time I defined something for you, you kept asking for more and more definitions. Tell you what... you go to websters or another dictionary and post the definition, then post what is confusing you. We can then go from there.

Here:

a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

I don't see voting a black man voting for Obama because he's black as necessarily being the product of a belief that black people are superior to white people. On the flip side, I cannot see a scenario where not voting for a person solely because of his race can be the product of anything other than racism.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist
 
So it is ok to you for a white person to say 'I voted for candidate x because he/she is white'?


No, it isn't OK to me. It's stupid. And such a person is probably a racist, but the act of voting for someone because of their race isn't necessarily based on racism.
 
No, it isn't OK to me. It's stupid. And such a person is probably a racist, but the act of voting for someone because of their race isn't necessarily based on racism.

So such a person is 'probably a racist' yet it isn't necessarily based on racism? Interesting. In other words, you are an idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
 
So such a person is 'probably a racist' yet it isn't necessarily based on racism? Interesting. In other words, you are an idiot. Thanks for clarifying.


Well, there are few (if any) non-racist reasons for a white person to choose to vote for a white person. And there are no intelligent reasons. That's not the case with minority groups that historically have been severely underrepresented in elected office. The fact of severe underrepresentation in elected office, particularly at the national level, is itself a pretty damned good non-racist reason to vote for a person based on race (or sex when it comes to women). It's not terribly complex stuff here, SF.
 
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