Hunter's plea deal rejected

Jarod said:
They appear to be valid charges with a legit plea deal, the Trump judge wants more time to consider if she likes the plea deal or not.
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Not what I get. She told them what bothered her and they are rehashing it to cover her wants and fitting it into the other deal. She wants them to bring back a deal that she can approve.
 
Nordberg said:
Not what I get. She told them what bothered her and they are rehashing it to cover her wants and fitting it into the other deal. She wants them to bring back a deal that she can approve.
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I can't see how they can fix the deal they made so the judge will accept it.

They did the deal the way they did very carefully to ensure Bagman got off with next to nothing and would be immune from further prosecution. To do that, they minimized the tax charges and kept the felony gun charge out of court entirely (the diversion agreement). Where they fucked up, and the judge caught them--unexpectedly I think--was in tying the two for immunity from prosecution.

To untie them, they would have to put separate immunity agreements in both. The problem there is, they then have the A vs B sentencing problem they wanted to avoid. If they do that, the judge could up the severity of the sentence with Bagman going to prison for up to several years and paying a huge whopping fine. Sure, that gets him out of the gun charge, but I bet daddy wouldn't be happy with his little coke headed son in prison for several years--likely in either solitary or a special unit because his father is president.

However it goes the next time, it's not going to look any better to the public.
 
Doc Dutch said:
That's impossible to know and I doubt it. All that had to happen an ex, pissed off GF or his baby momma to drop a dime on his about his taxes and the IRS would have nailed him.
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Even in that situation, the IRS rarely prosecutes people criminally, they go after them civilly. They go after them criminally in situations where they tried to defraud them or hid assets, but not for simple failure to pay.
 
Earl said:
Indeed.

The ambulance chaser is caught in another lie...his 305th.
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I can guarantee that the DOJ is not going to offer him another slap on the wrist after the flack they got for the last one.

If they even offer him, it may just go to trial where his defense might be thinking they have a better chance of getting a sympathetic jury.

And the charges against Hunter are still coming, is about to get nailed for FARA which he has no defense against.

The only deal I see him working out is to flip on his father to avoid prison time.

Since he is an addict that is more than possible.

I think that's the only way Hunter walks at this point.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
I can guarantee that the DOJ is not going to offer him another slap on the wrist after the flack they got for the last one.

If they even offer him, it may just go to trial where his defense might be thinking they have a better chance of getting a sympathetic jury.

And the charges against Hunter are still coming, is about to get nailed for FARA which he has no defense against.

The only deal I see him working out is to flip on his father to avoid prison time.

Since he is an addict that is more than possible.

I think that's the only way Hunter walks at this point.
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I do not believe he will walk this time.

The penalty for a willful violation of FARA is imprisonment for not more than five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both. Apr 10, 2023.

A reduced sentence of 2-3 years with a reduced fine would be appropriate.

He is a cocaine and prostitute addict. Archer is testifying today. Cocaine Hunter will flip.

This is the son of a US president...with access to Joe's stolen classified documents...a national security risk, the Biden's are compromised...both of them.
 
Jarod said:
Even in that situation, the IRS rarely prosecutes people criminally, they go after them civilly. They go after them criminally in situations where they tried to defraud them or hid assets, but not for simple failure to pay.
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I don't know the details, but suspect both the IRS and DOJ will do their jobs.

If there has been political interference from any direction, then that should be investigated too.
 
Jarod said:
For sure.
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I watch both CNN and Fox News daily. Usually only the first half hour of each to see their top stories and focus. Yesterday it was Fox News Sunday with Shannon Bream. She started off with Hunter, mentioned the top two cases against Trump before moving on. Upon return from a commercial break she mainly focused upon Trump. While she played Devil's Advocate* her guest speakers were very pro-Trump with lots of righteous indignation over Trump's criminal charges. The Hunter case was also covered but less extensively.


*note the irony. LOL
 
Tinkerpeach said:
I can guarantee that the DOJ is not going to offer him another slap on the wrist after the flack they got for the last one.

If they even offer him, it may just go to trial where his defense might be thinking they have a better chance of getting a sympathetic jury.

And the charges against Hunter are still coming, is about to get nailed for FARA which he has no defense against.

The only deal I see him working out is to flip on his father to avoid prison time.

Since he is an addict that is more than possible.

I think that's the only way Hunter walks at this point.
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I wish I could share your confidence.
 
Nordberg said:
It was during Trump. In fact, Hunter resolved the IRS problems. And the judge did not catetegorically reject the deal but said to rework it and come back.
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Clearly you have not listened to the IRS Whistle blowers testimonies. Hunter has not resolved his IRS problems yet. When you don't pay your taxes on time it just takes one affirmative action (one attempt to not pay what you really owe) to upgrade the charge to a felony. And that is what the IRS is supposed to do by their own rules. Hunter claimed his prostitute was an employee and he wrote off a membership to a sex club as a "golf membership". Both of which are clear attempts at evading taxes.

Hunter taxes were due in 2018 and 2019 but the IRS agents were obstructed from doing their jobs in 2020 to 2023.

I don't see the Judge granting Hunter blanket immunity like the deal that she rejected had in it. She asked the DOJ if they were still investigating Hunter and the DOJ said yes they were. Why investigate if Hunter is immune to prosecution.

A misdemeanor failure to pay can be escalated to a felony in some cases. According to the Department of Justice manual, those involve individuals who fail to file tax returns or pay a tax “but who also commit acts of evasion or obstruction.” In that case, the charges would be brought as felonies under sections 7201 or 7212(a).
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyp...hes-likely-not-going-to-jail/?sh=5980aac6b5b4
 
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Nordberg said:
Clearly wrong. Biden made a deal with the IRS and paid his bill. What that usually does is end the case. They just want the money.
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Although it's fuzzy, it does appear that Hunter paid his back taxes. OTOH, as the IRS points out, it's not whether he paid them or not, but that he lied about his taxes in the first place.

The links indicate that the penalty is up to one year for each offense. As trials of Trump's traitors prove, people are rarely given the max, especially for a first offense. Not a lawyer, but 20%-30% seems to be the norm. In this case, about 6-12 months....which, IMO, would do him some good.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...cted-plead-guilty-criminal-tax-case-rcna96232
Weiss’ office said in an earlier statement that “Hunter Biden received taxable income in excess of $1,500,000 annually in calendar years 2017 and 2018. Despite owing in excess of $100,000 in federal income taxes each year, he did not pay the income tax due for either year.”

The original deal included provisions that prosecutors would recommend probation for the tax violations, while a separate felony gun charge would be dropped if Biden met certain conditions laid out in court. It appears that now, the terms of his sentencing will be decided later.

Biden faced a separate gun charge, for illegally owning a Colt Cobra .38 Special handgun. He had conceivably reached a pretrial agreement about the issue that would delay the charges for 24 months, assuming he did not violate certain terms during that period — which included being added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, no use of controlled substances or alcohol and no violations of local, state or federal laws. If he followed the agreement, the charge would be dropped,
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https://www.npr.org/2023/07/26/1190...deal-falls-apart-for-his-failure-to-pay-taxes
The judge would accept the agreement and then she would set a sentencing date. Now, he could face up to a year in prison on each of the two tax charges. But the prosecutors are recommending probation
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html
Hunter Biden told associates in recent months that he paid the federal taxes that had been the subject of Justice Department scrutiny. He told one associate that the tax liability was more than $1 million, and that he had to take out a loan to pay it off.

Federal tax prosecutors generally fight to keep jurors from knowing whether defendants have paid their back tax bills, arguing that the crime happens when the return is falsely filed or not filed at all, said Jeffrey Neiman, a former Justice Department tax prosecutor and a partner at Marcus, Neiman, Rashbaum & Pineiro. Such knowledge could influence jurors, even if a judge asks them not to consider it.
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