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nope there will be a hit on the Syrian weapons if they don't hand over the chems.
I will back it
How Will America Get it's War on Syria? Or Will War be Avoided? A Poll.
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nope there will be a hit on the Syrian weapons if they don't hand over the chems.
I will back it
Of course you will. And you would even if it was proven that Assad didn't use the gas and the Al Qaida terrorists did. Because it's politics with you. You don't understand that though and so you are at least sincere about this issue. In fact I think you have it all arranged in your head to think that the chemical weapons will be bombed and no blood will be spilt. No children will die under US bombs. Do Christians work it all out for themselves ahead of time?
Did you register your choice in my poll yet? Don't be afraid, there's the other option there for people like you.
I suspect that there is a lot of truth to that.
You don't know yet. The UN's investigators have yet to come out and confirm that it was Assad's regime. And in fact, Carla Del Ponte of the UN team stated that it was more likely that the gas attacks before this last claimed big one were done by the terrorists. And Carla Del Ponte hasn't come back and stated otherwise yet.
Not to mention that your propagandists are needing to bad mouth the UNSC again because of it fulfilling it's UN mandate and preventing war.
Those are a few of the facts for you. Where are your facts and where is your proof? And what is your country's track record regarding Iraq and Kosovo and the fact that the deaths under US bombs for phony trumped up reasons is well over a million in those two wars only?
You need to answer some questions, not others who are intent on at least erring on the side of stopping a war. If in fact it ever turned out that we were wrong and Assad was guilty.
When children die under US bombs they can't be brought back to life any more than children who die in gas attacks. or for that matter, children who die under any US employed WMD.
blackascoal
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The decision to bomb Syria or not won't be coming from Obama. That decision will come from the MIC, and Obama will say what he's told to say, even if everybody on the planet disagrees, including his wife.
Don't do what the MIC wants .. and .. well .. John Kennedy comes to mind.
I'm sure that at Obama's inauguration, there was somebody in the background holding up a picture of John Kennedy.
Don't do what the MIC wants .. and .. well .. John Kennedy comes to mind.
I'm sure that at Obama's inauguration, there was somebody in the background holding up a picture of John Kennedy.
In essence, the world is depending on the American people to stop this planned war. The American people will fail the world again and there is no other factor that can prevent it. Not the US congress and surely not the Russians or the Syrians, no matter how much they follow through with honouring the deal.
The propagandists will make sure that it appears that Syria is reneging on the deal. It really doesn't differ from Iraq in that sense. No matter how many times it was shown that Iraq didn't have the WMD's, the US insisted that they did.
evince
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Yes, Monty, I voted "B."
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If it were ever conclusively proven to be true then I wouldn't enjoy it at all. I would take it as being wrong this time but I would still feel that I had honestly erred on the right side. The side of opposing war.
Have you ever opposed your country's wars?
Hating me and all your namecalling abuse runs off my back as water runs off a duck's back. The fact is, by taking a position against war I can't lose and I can't be wrong. Wars kill innocent people. All wars kill innocent people. You need to know that. And I don't need to be abusive toward you to make that point.
You're clearly supporting your president's war because of politics. You've said too much now to ever make it seem like anything else. Your entire demeanour literally screams of hate and that is the opposite of humanitarian compassion. I don't even want to try to stop you now as you destroy your own position more with each word you scream at your opponents.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I disagree.
The world is not depending on the American people for anything. We have demonstrated that we have neither the capacity, nor will to prevent anything this government wants to do. 100% of Americans can disagree .. doesn't mean shit.
And, anyone who voted for republicans should have no qualms whatsoever with Americans having no control of this government .. given their mindless support for Citizens United.
Did I say MINDLESS?
With regards to Syria, the truth of Kerry's blunder is already revealing itself.
UN Resolution Talks Begin On Syria Chemical Arms
9/11/2013
PARIS -- Tense negotiations have begun on a proposed U.N. resolution that would put Syria's chemical weapons under international control and end a diplomatic stalemate over a deadly Aug. 21 poison gas attack, a French official said Wednesday.
The plan for Syria to relinquish its chemical weapons, initiated by Russia, appeared to ease the crisis over looming Western strikes against Bashar Assad's regime in Damascus, only to open up new potential for impasse as Moscow rejected U.S. and French demands for a binding U.N. resolution with "very severe consequences" for non-compliance.
The French official close to the president, who spoke on condition of anonymity because negotiations remained sensitive, said Russia objected not only to making the resolution militarily enforceable, but also to blaming the Aug. 21 attack on the Syrian government and demanding that those responsible be taken before an international criminal court.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/un-resolution-talks-syria-chemical-arms_n_3906038.html
A. How long do you think its going to take to work out the differences?
B. Are you of the opinion that Russia really wants to take any, ANY weapons from Assad at this time?
Putin out-played a hapless and floundering John Kerry.
The US stood down .. and Assad had renewed his attacks on Al Qaeda.
Fucking genius.
I said this is exactly how it would play out.
I stand with my claim of the world depending on the American people, and here's why.
I qualify that by saying that if the American people took a large position against war in the higher numbers of at least 75% then they would stand relatively blameless and my blaming would not be valid. But if the American people turn to supporting this war with anything approaching 50% then my claim is valid. And I believe that something of the order of 75% opposing war could actually successfully stop it.
To your other comments which I don't really understand completely: I believe that Russia does want to prevent a US led war against Syria. The facts are too strong to not believe it. As to disarming Syria, it's quite beside the point because it couldn't be accomplished in a timely manner in all likelihood. But the initiative should succeed if Assad signs off on the agreement to not use chemical weapons. That of course wouldn't be an admission that he has in the past. If that happened then the US supposed goal would be accomplished in appearance. Appearance only because the US motives are not gas attacks.
The important factor here is politics because Assad signing off on the deal to not use chem weapons puts him and Russia on the winning side. Only then, after Assad reneging and using them would the US gather the credibility to go to war.
The wild card factor in all of this is that I have little doubt that it will be fabricated to show that Assad has gone back on his word and again used gas against his enemies. There are two possibilities at least: The US will fabricate false evidence as it is known for doing in the past. or, The terrorists will use gas again and the blame will fall on Assad.
For these reasons I feel it is a hopeless cause to expect that war won't happen. On the plus side, I think we understand each other very well on the issue.
I should have also said, Obama knows all this as well or better than any of us do. I see it as a positive agreement because it does hold a glimmer of hope. I don't really know for sure at this time whether the hope will be dashed by Obama's doing or the doing of those in positions of power in the US who want this war.
It will be a war of aggression and it will be expressly waged to assert control over Syria and take away more of Russia's sphere of influence. Indeed, almost the last bit remaining.
It will be a war of aggression and it will be expressly waged to assert control over Syria and take away more of Russia's sphere of influence. Indeed, almost the last bit remaining.
I've never been dishonest enough to say that it's an economic issue with Putin first. I don't think anyone else has either.
That makes no sense but I'll try to make sense of it anyway. I think you are trying to suggest that I hate my country for taking a position against chemical weapons? Nothing could be a more ridiculous suggestion. I will at least admit that I hate my country's leaders for what apparently appears to be the signing on to the US efforts for war. I'm sure that they are doing it for purely political and economic reasons. Economic in the sense that we've seen blackmail by the US in the past for our position on the Iraq war and will see it again if we don't fall into line.
You see, I'm honest enough about this to take even your less than serious questions as serious.
This is an honest cause I am forwarding on this forum and devoting so much time to. Even though I know it's not changing your mind and is a futile effort. At least be honest enough to grant me that. Maybe you could try to relate to that by thinking of your own position on the Iraq war, if indeed you opposed it.
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