Hegseth hosts first meeting of what he says will be a monthly Christian prayer service at Pentagon
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ThatOwlWoman
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Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth hosted a Christian prayer service on Wednesday at the Pentagon for employees that included a sermon by his hometown pastor who said President Donald Trump had been “sovereignly appointed.”
The service, which Hegseth told the audience would be a monthly event, was held in the Pentagon auditorium and broadcast live on the department’s internal TV network. Current and former defense officials told CNN it was highly unusual for the secretary to host a religious event during the workday for a particular religion.
A former Pentagon lawyer who left the department in April called the service “incredibly problematic.” They added that the “core of the Establishment Clause is the state not endorsing a particular religion, but having a broadcast event is obviously an endorsement even if they don’t officially say, ‘this is a Pentagon event.’”
The event and Hegseth’s sponsorship of it is a “clear violation” of the Establishment Clause, VanLandingham added.
“I think it’s sponsorship in the true sense of the word, outside of funding – he’s advocating for this, he is putting his weight of the official Office of the Secretary of Defense behind a particular religious event and inviting someone to the Pentagon to conduct it,” she said. “That’s wrong.”
Hegseth hosts first meeting of what he says will be a monthly Christian prayer service at Pentagon
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth hosted a Christian prayer service on Wednesday at the Pentagon for employees that included a sermon by his hometown pastor who said President Donald Trump had been “sovereignly appointed.”www.yahoo.com
Fake Xtians trying hard to appear genuine. The MAGATs will buy it like they did their #MalevolentMessiah's $60 TrumpCo bibles. Violating the Constitution is no problem when one of their ilk does it.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Why would anybody want to stop Islamic prayers ?
Another good question. Folks earlier in the thread were all up in arms because some Christians were praying once per month at the Pentagon. Oddly, I'd bet that Muslims are praying five times a day at the same location. However, some of those folks all upset were saying that this somehow stopped Muslims from praying... but I don't think they understand things correctly. What say you?
ThatOwlWoman
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ThatOwlWoman
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Bingo. Our forum virtue-signaling Trumpsucker is all on board with it.
You should send her on over to test this theory. She'll just trot on over whenever you snap your fingers, right? Show some support to the US military by praying for their safety? Then we'll know, and it won't be your supposition.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Speaking as an atheist I say that anybody that needs prayer can internalize their religion so as not to conflict with anybody else.
The separation of church and state is fundamental to the US constitution and having any religious group attempt to raise the profile of their beliefs while in power is unconstitutional.
Raising the profile of your employers' beliefs is unconstitutional as well as stupid.
Telling others to shut up to support your own beliefs is the same activity. The constitution does not support our disbelief over their belief. Folks in office can say prayers, they just cannot make me say them.Speaking as an atheist I say that anybody that needs prayer can internalize their religion so as not to conflict with anybody else.
The separation of church and state is fundamental to the US constitution and having any religious group attempt to raise the profile of their beliefs while in power is unconstitutional.
Raising the profile of your employers' beliefs is unconstitutional as well as stupid.
ThatOwlWoman
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Why do we need worship services of any kind at the office, esp. a govt. office? Don't the employees have their own pastors, churches at home?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Students are allowed to celebrate their faiths.Any kind of service is fine if the people request it...I'm going to be happy to see schools being allowed to allow students to celebrate their faith if they someday again, as well...
How sad that some chose to mock the faiths of their neighbors....and here, sometimes even their family...
What does this have to do with "need"? People have a right to their religions, even while they are at work. As I already stated, Muslims pray 5 times per day at that same place. Telling folks that they should "stay home" violates their first Amendment rights, which even people in office have.
This is the same as arguing that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting... or asking "why do you need to arm yourself"? It isn't about "need".
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
Which cannot be initiated or led by a teacher or administrator
ThatOwlWoman
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I suppose this gibberish has some meaning to you. Are you denying that the MAGATs would be outraged if a Muslim congress critter or top official held a Muslim prayer service in a govt. building -- esp. that one? Too bad we don't have any Church of Satan or Wiccan govt. leaders (that I know of). I'd love to see the MAGAT support for one of their rituals. lol
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
America was not founded as a Christian nation
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
True.
Depending. Teachers and Administrators can have voluntary stuff. There was a case specifically about this as a coach was holding prayers after the game and some activist atheists got all upset. The SCOTUS ruled that so long as it didn't interrupt the actual school, etc. and if it was voluntary he was within his rights.
I'm saying we can find out if they would be outraged, it isn't even far for her to travel. Hop on over there and pray, see if the "Magats" get hyped up. You should go with her, wear a hijab and be Muslim for the day. I fully support this. Then instead of hypothetical whataboutism, we will know what the rightwing would do if she went on over to pray for the safety of, and to support our, troops.