Happy Trayvon Martin Day

Ok... you are intent upon sensationalizing this to suit your delusions. Understood.

LMAO... yeah, because when people say young boy, they think '17'. Give me a break. Again, you just wish to be a little drama queen.

Again, to suggest there was no reason to suspect him is bullshit. You continue to ignore everything that had occurred in that neighborhood in the past.

Wrong again, just because you continue to ignore the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The link is posted above.

Zimmerman was in his truck watching Martin. Martin then ran. Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows. While talking to the police. Martin had plenty of time to make it to the townhome he was staying in. Zimmerman stated he had lost Martin. Yet somehow Martin reappeared rather than go home. But you will again ignore all this and pretend that Martin was just strolling along.

Ahh... now we have the ignorant...'u listenin to right wing blogs'... which translates to 'I read that time line and realize it puts a big fucking hole in my argument and so I will now attack the source before acknowledging that I read that information'

Oh you poor little drama queen. Yes, I think if a neighborhood has experienced numerous break ins by black men that it is ok to watch a black person not from the neighborhood to protect property. You continue to pretend that Martin was this itty bitty child and not a person who was bigger than Zimmerman. No drama queen, no one said that anyone can just shoot anyone for reacting in any way. However, if someone starts beating the shit out of you, you do have a right to respond. I personally don't think it was necessary to shoot him (unless it can be proven that Martin went for the gun as Zimmerman proclaims).

No drama queen, but clearly you are both ignorant and oblivious. Intent upon believing the original bullshit the media fed you. Ignoring the reality of what occurred and the subsequent evidence presented. You are also a racist for continuing to paint that poor Hispanic man who was being beaten as a 'criminal'... why do you hate Hispanics?

You, the drama queen, are the one going on about plundering. Trayvon was not engaged in plundering a damn thing and there was no reasonable cause to suspect him. Being black is not a reasonable cause and that is what you claim not what was claimed by me based on credible media sources.

Zimmerman was armed and pursued Trayvon, a minor male or young boy, who he outweighed by 50 pounds. I have not sensationalized anything. You and grind are the ones guilty of that.

Your link contained no new evidence of anything. It's just bullshit conjecture.
 
You, the drama queen, are the one going on about plundering.

The above that you just quoted did not say a thing about 'plundering' you little drama queen.

Trayvon was not engaged in plundering a damn thing and there was no reasonable cause to suspect him.

You can hold that opinion if you wish, but there is NOTHING wrong with Zimmerman watching him. There is nothing illegal about what Zimmerman did.

Being black is not a reasonable cause and that is what you claim not what was claimed by me based on credible media sources.

This is where logic fails you. If you have a single occurrence where a black man robs a house in the neighborhood that is one thing. If you have several incidents where it occurs and you see a black man who is not from the neighborhood, it is not unreasonable to pay attention to that man.

Zimmerman was armed and pursued Trayvon, a minor male or young boy, who he outweighed by 50 pounds. I have not sensationalized anything. You and grind are the ones guilty of that.

Wrong, you just did it again. You are trying to paint Trayvon as this tiny little boy. He was not. He was taller than Zimmerman and he was strong enough to beat the shit out of Zimmerman. Yet you keep harping on his age or now that Zimmerman outweighed him. Neither his age nor his weight is an issue.

Your link contained no new evidence of anything. It's just bullshit conjecture.

No, it is a timeline based on what occurred. The phone log to the police is documented with regard to content and time. The locations of the vehicle, the townhome where martin was staying, the clubhouse etc... are all physical locations on a map that can easily be placed. You just don't like the fact that it blows up your argument and shows it was Martin that actually initiated the confrontation when it was not necessary for him to do so. It was not because he was afraid as you proclaim. If he was afraid he was well ahead of Zimmerman to the extent that he had time to get to the town home.

But you want to ignore all that. It doesn't fit into your 'the Hispanic is guilty' mantra.
 
The above that you just quoted did not say a thing about 'plundering' you little drama queen.



You can hold that opinion if you wish, but there is NOTHING wrong with Zimmerman watching him. There is nothing illegal about what Zimmerman did.

Riiiiiiiiight...Zimmerman did nothing illegal...except for the "shooting Martin dead" part.

This is where logic fails you. If you have a single occurrence where a black man robs a house in the neighborhood that is one thing. If you have several incidents where it occurs and you see a black man who is not from the neighborhood, it is not unreasonable to pay attention to that man.

It IS unreasonable to SHOOT him.

Wrong, you just did it again. You are trying to paint Trayvon as this tiny little boy. He was not. He was taller than Zimmerman and he was strong enough to beat the shit out of Zimmerman. Yet you keep harping on his age or now that Zimmerman outweighed him. Neither his age nor his weight is an issue.

To be clear...you believe it's OK for you to bring up Martin's height advantage, but it's NOT OK for ST to bring up Zimmerman's weight advantage.

Understood.

No, it is a timeline based on what occurred. The phone log to the police is documented with regard to content and time. The locations of the vehicle, the townhome where martin was staying, the clubhouse etc... are all physical locations on a map that can easily be placed. You just don't like the fact that it blows up your argument and shows it was Martin that actually initiated the confrontation when it was not necessary for him to do so. It was not because he was afraid as you proclaim. If he was afraid he was well ahead of Zimmerman to the extent that he had time to get to the town home.

But you want to ignore all that. It doesn't fit into your 'the Hispanic is guilty' mantra.

And Mr Conspiracy, who penned the letter to the Rightie blog that you claim is "evidence", is posting nothing more than baseless speculation...yet you try to pass it off as proof because it allows you to paint Martin as the aggressor and Zimmerman as the frightened victim.
 
The above that you just quoted did not say a thing about 'plundering' you little drama queen.

You can hold that opinion if you wish, but there is NOTHING wrong with Zimmerman watching him. There is nothing illegal about what Zimmerman did.

This is where logic fails you. If you have a single occurrence where a black man robs a house in the neighborhood that is one thing. If you have several incidents where it occurs and you see a black man who is not from the neighborhood, it is not unreasonable to pay attention to that man.

Wrong, you just did it again. You are trying to paint Trayvon as this tiny little boy. He was not. He was taller than Zimmerman and he was strong enough to beat the shit out of Zimmerman. Yet you keep harping on his age or now that Zimmerman outweighed him. Neither his age nor his weight is an issue.

No, it is a timeline based on what occurred. The phone log to the police is documented with regard to content and time. The locations of the vehicle, the townhome where martin was staying, the clubhouse etc... are all physical locations on a map that can easily be placed. You just don't like the fact that it blows up your argument and shows it was Martin that actually initiated the confrontation when it was not necessary for him to do so. It was not because he was afraid as you proclaim. If he was afraid he was well ahead of Zimmerman to the extent that he had time to get to the town home.

But you want to ignore all that. It doesn't fit into your 'the Hispanic is guilty' mantra.

But you did mention plundering didn't you drama queen?

And let's be clear about your race baiting bullshit. It was alleged (by who, idk) that black males had broken into houses in the neighborhood. As far as the press reports have shown only one had been arrested. That is NOT sufficient for some armed adult with a history of violence to pursue every black male child around the neighborhood. If you are incapable of understanding why the parents of black, minority or any children would feel that is not a good idea then it's because you are stubbornly refusing any sense of empathy or engaging in some sort of racist knee jerk reaction.

The link is nothing but conjecture based ONLY on the claims of Zimmerman. It does not blow up anything or show that Martin initiated the confrontation. They are doing nothing but guessing and you're clearly showing bias in pretending it does anything more. Maybe Trayvon did not continue to run, but instead thought it best to hide until Zimmerman came upon him? I don't know and neither do you or the author's of your link.

Besides that, why is Trayvon required to flee? The guy that is supposedly acting in self defense and standing his ground is allowed to REPEATEDLY pursue Martin with a gun after leaving the safety of his vehicle, while unarmed and on foot Martin is supposed to just keep running and never fight back or else he is a criminal and a thug? Apparently, the logic of racist pieces of shit, is that a black male must accept that he is at all times under suspiscion and that he has no right to defend himself against those pursuing him, but if fat asses with a hero complex get in over their heads they can always shoot?
 
What I have wondered, lately, is why didn't Zimmerman tell the dispatcher he was armed?

Also, if he actually stayed near his vehicle, why did he ask the dispatcher to call him when the police arrived? Instead of the police just meeting him at his truck?


"Actually could you have them, could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?" Zimmerman
 
But you did mention plundering didn't you drama queen?

Did I mention it or was I 'going on about it' as you stated? Which was it you little drama queen?
And let's be clear about your race baiting bullshit. It was alleged (by who, idk) that black males had broken into houses in the neighborhood.

It was stated by one of the black neighbors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.


At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.


In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.


But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.


On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.


"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.


Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.


After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.


"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."


In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.


As far as the press reports have shown only one had been arrested. That is NOT sufficient for some armed adult with a history of violence to pursue every black male child around the neighborhood. If you are incapable of understanding why the parents of black, minority or any children would feel that is not a good idea then it's because you are stubbornly refusing any sense of empathy or engaging in some sort of racist knee jerk reaction.

1) Read the above quotation... because it shows why your 'wait for the police' idea wasn't working.
2) Zimmerman is Hispanic... he IS a minority... his neighborhood is almost 40% minority... you think it was only white people who were worried?
3) You and those in the media are the ones that want to turn this racist... if it had been a bunch of white kids robbing places, would you have had a problem with Zimmerman profiling white kids?

The link is nothing but conjecture based ONLY on the claims of Zimmerman. It does not blow up anything or show that Martin initiated the confrontation. They are doing nothing but guessing and you're clearly showing bias in pretending it does anything more. Maybe Trayvon did not continue to run, but instead thought it best to hide until Zimmerman came upon him? I don't know and neither do you or the author's of your link.

LMAO... talk about conjecture. He was not even a minute from home... he had a head start... you just can't accept the fact that Zimmerman might have been telling the truth. The fact that the 9/11 call seems to back that up given Zimmerman said he lost him... then all of the sudden Martin appears again? Look at that map... look how close he was to home.

Besides that, why is Trayvon required to flee?

NO ONE SAID HE WAS REQUIRED TO FLEE you little drama queen.

The guy that is supposedly acting in self defense and standing his ground is allowed to REPEATEDLY pursue Martin with a gun

See drama queen, here you go again... he didn't 'repeatedly' follow him. He saw Martin while in his car... when Martin ran where his car could not go, he got out and followed. He then lost Martin. You again bring up his gun as if he had it drawn and chasing the poor little boy down.

after leaving the safety of his vehicle, while unarmed and on foot Martin is supposed to just keep running and never fight back or else he is a criminal and a thug?

There is NO indication that Zimmerman did anything illegal or that gave Martin justification for beating the shit out of Zimmerman. Nothing. Not a single thing backs up that absurdity. Martin had every right to question Zimmerman vs. running. But that is not what he did. He beat the hell out of Zimmerman instead.

Apparently, the logic of racist pieces of shit, is that a black male must accept that he is at all times under suspiscion and that he has no right to defend himself against those pursuing him, but if fat asses with a hero complex get in over their heads they can always shoot?

Yet another example of our little drama queen's hyperbole. That is not what was said. Not in the slightest. But good to see you spouting off the medias initial bullshit yet again... shows exactly where your 'information' comes from.
 
There is evidence presented in the affidavit that was sufficient to indict. It was not just the attorney. I agree the evidence, so far, concerning who at the very end confronted who is pretty thin. But we know for a fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. There is no question of it. Not only in his vehicle, but outside of it. It has a lot of relevance, which you claimed it did not.

The evidence of the final confrontation seems to come mostly from the phone conversation Trayvon was having and the word of Zimmerman but there may be more that has yet to be revealed. Zimmerman, a man arrested and charged with battery of a LEO, claims he was returning to his car after the dispatch suggested he should not follow Trayvon and that he was attacked by the boy that had previously fled. There is no proof of that other than Zimmerman's claim.

Again, there is no basis for calling Trayvon a criminal. Did he not have a right to stand his ground against an older and heavier man that had pursued him in and out of a vehicle? Is he a criminal and Zimmerman a hero because he was more capable of defending himself in a hand to hand struggle, skin color or because he was wearing a hooded sweatshirt? Whatever the basis is for that ridiculous suggestion is, it is trivial.

Zimmerman created the situation by proceeding in armed pursuit of Trayvon without just cause. He had no business doing that. Second degree murder might be a bit much but Zimmerman is guilty of a crime that lead to Trayvon's death. He is not a hero he is a criminal, whether he is eventually convicted of the charge of second degree murder or not.

The confrontation did not occur "by his car." There were buildings between the point of confrontation and Zimmerman's vehicle.

It's my opinion that the prosecuter is persuing this, to save face. Of course he's going to present the best possible "chain of events", in order to win.
What was the name of the prosecuter in the Duke's Lacrooss fiascal?
You know, the one that was disbarred for hiding evidence.
Following a suspicious character, is not persuing and you're only using that phrase, to make it appear that you have more credibility.

Was he convicted of that charge; because if being charged with something automatically equates guilt from then on, then we have a whole bunch of people walking around who shouldn't be. Probably some on this forum.
And it seems that you want to make up a version different from the person who was there and that's because you have an agenda of "he has to be guilty."

Then what is the basis for AUTOMATICALLY assuming that Zimmerman is a murderer? Martin had already fled, according to testimony and the dispatch recording, so who's he defending himself from?

Continuing to use the phrase "armed pursuit" is nothing more then a desperate attempt to justify your own preconceived opinion.
I wasn't aware that you were a lawyer who had taken the job of being a judge.

What evidence to you have to show this conclusion?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And what crime did Martin commit exactly that warranted Zimmerman following and confronting him, jackass. Unless he was clairvoyant and knew about some teenage misdemeanors in high school. I'll wait.

Again... there were repeated break ins in the area involving young black men not from the neighborhood. Following someone is not against the law jackass. Asking questions is not against the law.

Beating the shit out of someone is against the law.

Once again for the cheap seats:

Following someone in a car at night when you are NOT officially a member of the neighborhood watch (who are NOT allowed to carry firearms), and continuing to do so when you are told by the police not to as they are on the way, and then getting out of your car to confront someone WHO WAS VISITING FAMILY IN THE AREA, is asking for trouble. No one has the right to stalk and confront someone based wholly on personal suspicion as if they have some type of authority (which Zimmerman, who had a history of bad reports to the 911 dispatch, DID NOT).

Martin didn't know Zimmerman from a hole in the wall, and reacted accordingly TO BEING STALKED BY AN ARMED STRANGER. He ran until he couldn't.

Deal with it.
 
Whether someone feels that Zimmerman should or should not have been following Martin, has no bearing on what eventually occured; because once Zimmerman stopped trying to follow Martin, the situation changes.
Zimmerman is walking back to his car, he is no longer a threat to Martin (perceived or otherwise), and Martin confronting Zimmerman makes Martin the aggressor.
There are no wounds on Martin, other then an entrance wound that has been shown to have been fired at an upward angle (which is consitant from someone doing so, while being on the ground).
Zimmerman, on the other hand, shows numerous wounds; that were inflicted by being beaten, while laying on the ground.

Everything past this is nothing more then speculation by those who have already decided the outcome of this.


The little fantasy you parrot here does not jibe with the original statements made by Zimmerman and the audio tape of his 911 call. by GZ's own account, Martin caught him tailing in the car, came up to the car, peered in the window and then ran away. Zimmerman was told it was NOT necessary to follow him further.

So why would Martin circle back to confront Zimmerman, who continued to travel in his car and then suddenly have to get out of his car to check street signs for directions.....weird that, given Zimmerman had been a self appointed neighborhood watcher with a history of reports to the 911.

Yes, there were marks on Martin that indicated a struggle...go back and check the evidence.

Bottom line, Zimmerman's story is dubious at best....enough for the local cop in charge to proceed to arrest and charge him before being countermanded by higher ups (who took an out-of-the-ordinary effort to do so on this particular case).
 
Did I mention it or was I 'going on about it' as you stated? Which was it you little drama queen?

It was stated by one of the black neighbors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

1) Read the above quotation... because it shows why your 'wait for the police' idea wasn't working.
2) Zimmerman is Hispanic... he IS a minority... his neighborhood is almost 40% minority... you think it was only white people who were worried?
3) You and those in the media are the ones that want to turn this racist... if it had been a bunch of white kids robbing places, would you have had a problem with Zimmerman profiling white kids?

LMAO... talk about conjecture. He was not even a minute from home... he had a head start... you just can't accept the fact that Zimmerman might have been telling the truth. The fact that the 9/11 call seems to back that up given Zimmerman said he lost him... then all of the sudden Martin appears again? Look at that map... look how close he was to home.

NO ONE SAID HE WAS REQUIRED TO FLEE you little drama queen.

See drama queen, here you go again... he didn't 'repeatedly' follow him. He saw Martin while in his car... when Martin ran where his car could not go, he got out and followed. He then lost Martin. You again bring up his gun as if he had it drawn and chasing the poor little boy down.

There is NO indication that Zimmerman did anything illegal or that gave Martin justification for beating the shit out of Zimmerman. Nothing. Not a single thing backs up that absurdity. Martin had every right to question Zimmerman vs. running. But that is not what he did. He beat the hell out of Zimmerman instead.

Yet another example of our little drama queen's hyperbole. That is not what was said. Not in the slightest. But good to see you spouting off the medias initial bullshit yet again... shows exactly where your 'information' comes from.

You need to over parse every response to drop context because your argument is without merit.

Bertalan's story does not apply, drama queen. Trayvon was not in anyone's house. He was not plundering the neighborhood or any of the other bullshit hyperbolic race baiting claims you have made. He went out to buy candy and was returning to a place he had every right to be.

As I stated I don't know what happened. My comment suggesting that he may not have continued and instead was hiding was simply pointing how easily the bullshit conjecture of your link is dispelled. It provides no evidence or insight into what happened. It's pure fantasy that might satisfy race baiters but is not credible evidence. If he was not required to flee then what does it matter why he did not outpace Zimmerman's pursuit?

He shot and killed the boy. That is an indication of an illegal act, retard. He claims self defense but clearly pursued this boy to a level that claims that he was in fear for his life lose credibility. He was clearly an instigator of the confrontation and had no business pursuing Trayvon to the degree he did. The fact that he took a gun into the situation makes him negligent. He created the danger to himself and Trayvon.
 
You need to over parse every response to drop context because your argument is without merit.

Bertalan's story does not apply, drama queen. Trayvon was not in anyone's house. He was not plundering the neighborhood or any of the other bullshit hyperbolic race baiting claims you have made. He went out to buy candy and was returning to a place he had every right to be.

As I stated I don't know what happened. My comment suggesting that he may not have continued and instead was hiding was simply pointing how easily the bullshit conjecture of your link is dispelled. It provides no evidence or insight into what happened. It's pure fantasy that might satisfy race baiters but is not credible evidence. If he was not required to flee then what does it matter why he did not outpace Zimmerman's pursuit?

He shot and killed the boy. That is an indication of an illegal act, retard. He claims self defense but clearly pursued this boy to a level that claims that he was in fear for his life lose credibility. He was clearly an instigator of the confrontation and had no business pursuing Trayvon to the degree he did. The fact that he took a gun into the situation makes him negligent. He created the danger to himself and Trayvon.

He did not know Zimmerman, if I think someone is following me, I don't lead them to my house.
 
The fact that you claim it was racially motivated shows that you bought the media's trumped up version of what actually happened. Let me guess, you also think Zimmerman is a white guy?

Ok... you are intent upon sensationalizing this to suit your delusions. Understood.



LMAO... yeah, because when people say young boy, they think '17'. Give me a break. Again, you just wish to be a little drama queen.



Again, to suggest there was no reason to suspect him is bullshit. You continue to ignore everything that had occurred in that neighborhood in the past.



Wrong again, just because you continue to ignore the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The link is posted above.



Zimmerman was in his truck watching Martin. Martin then ran. Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows. While talking to the police. Martin had plenty of time to make it to the townhome he was staying in. Zimmerman stated he had lost Martin. Yet somehow Martin reappeared rather than go home. But you will again ignore all this and pretend that Martin was just strolling along.



Ahh... now we have the ignorant...'u listenin to right wing blogs'... which translates to 'I read that time line and realize it puts a big fucking hole in my argument and so I will now attack the source before acknowledging that I read that information'



Oh you poor little drama queen. Yes, I think if a neighborhood has experienced numerous break ins by black men that it is ok to watch a black person not from the neighborhood to protect property. You continue to pretend that Martin was this itty bitty child and not a person who was bigger than Zimmerman. No drama queen, no one said that anyone can just shoot anyone for reacting in any way. However, if someone starts beating the shit out of you, you do have a right to respond. I personally don't think it was necessary to shoot him (unless it can be proven that Martin went for the gun as Zimmerman proclaims).



No drama queen, but clearly you are both ignorant and oblivious. Intent upon believing the original bullshit the media fed you. Ignoring the reality of what occurred and the subsequent evidence presented. You are also a racist for continuing to paint that poor Hispanic man who was being beaten as a 'criminal'... why do you hate Hispanics?

So I bought the media bullshit by believing this was racially motivated, but then again, zimmerman's actions were reasonable because Martin was black?

Contradicting yourself again.
 
Once again for the cheap seats:

Following someone in a car at night when you are NOT officially a member of the neighborhood watch (who are NOT allowed to carry firearms), and continuing to do so when you are told by the police not to as they are on the way, and then getting out of your car to confront someone WHO WAS VISITING FAMILY IN THE AREA, is asking for trouble. No one has the right to stalk and confront someone based wholly on personal suspicion as if they have some type of authority (which Zimmerman, who had a history of bad reports to the 911 dispatch, DID NOT).

Martin didn't know Zimmerman from a hole in the wall, and reacted accordingly TO BEING STALKED BY AN ARMED STRANGER. He ran until he couldn't.

Deal with it.

Thanks for spitting out the initial bullshit from the media.

1) You don't have to be a neighborhood watch person to be suspicious of someone in your neighborhood
2) If you have a permit to carry the weapon or reside in a state that allows open carry, then it doesn't matter that he had the gun
3) He did not continue following Zimmerman after the police told him to stop
4) He did not get out of the car AFTER the cops told him to stop following, he was already out
5) Following someone is not stalking them.
6) There is no way in hell he could have known Martin was visiting family
7) He didn't run until he couldn't... Zimmerman lost him and Martin had plenty of time to make it to the place he was staying.

Any other 'facts' from the initial media bullshit that you would like to spew?
 
He did not know Zimmerman, if I think someone is following me, I don't lead them to my house.

The other thing that bothers me, Trayvon's position when police arrived, facedown with his hands underneath him. If he was on top of Zimmerman when shot, how did he end up on his stomach with his hands underneath him?
 
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