The only one that claims he stopped pursuing Martin is Zimmerman. The link has some of the evidence that Zimmerman did not stop following Trayvon and instead confronted Martin. The shooting did not occur by Zimmerman's car. It happened on a pedestrian path.
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The only one that claims he stopped pursuing Martin is Zimmerman. The link has some of the evidence that Zimmerman did not stop following Trayvon and instead confronted Martin. The shooting did not occur by Zimmerman's car. It happened on a pedestrian path.
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Since when did "speculation" by the prosecuting Attny equate to evidence?
The pedestrin path, was near his car.
What do you expect a prosecuter to say: "UH, we have nothing; but because of public outcry, we're going to go ahead anyway."
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He did not confront Martin. Martin confronted him. Why must you keep using the tired old media bullshit spin that they originally pushed on the public? You are intelligent enough to update yourself on what we have learned since that time.
Calling him a young boy again does not change the fact that he was several inches taller than Zimmerman. Glad to know that no one should try to protect their neighborhoods in your opinion. They must all either be martial arts experts or just let their neighborhood be plundered.
Which is what he was doing. Sometimes the people you are watching... MOVE... causing you to move as well should you wish to continue watching.
Armed pursuit? LMAO... you really are becoming quite the drama queen
So? That does not mean someone cannot watch him to make sure. Do the thieves that had been robbing that neighborhood wear signs for people telling them that they are robbers?
Which again is complete bullshit. The neighborhood had been experiencing robberies by young black men. That doesn't make Martin guilty of anything, but it certainly gives a reason for a neighborhood watch person to watch him.
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except the time line doesn't support that claim by the prosecutor...
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022072.html
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There is evidence presented in the affidavit that was sufficient to indict. It was not just the attorney. I agree the evidence, so far, concerning who at the very end confronted who is pretty thin. But we know for a fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. There is no question of it. Not only in his vehicle, but outside of it. It has a lot of relevance, which you claimed it did not.
The evidence of the final confrontation seems to come mostly from the phone conversation Trayvon was having and the word of Zimmerman but there may be more that has yet to be revealed. Zimmerman, a man arrested and charged with battery of a LEO, claims he was returning to his car after the dispatch suggested he should not follow Trayvon and that he was attacked by the boy that had previously fled. There is no proof of that other than Zimmerman's claim.
Again, there is no basis for calling Trayvon a criminal. Did he not have a right to stand his ground against an older and heavier man that had pursued him in and out of a vehicle? Is he a criminal and Zimmerman a hero because he was more capable of defending himself in a hand to hand struggle, skin color or because he was wearing a hooded sweatshirt? Whatever the basis is for that ridiculous suggestion is, it is trivial.
Zimmerman created the situation by proceeding in armed pursuit of Trayvon without just cause. He had no business doing that. Second degree murder might be a bit much but Zimmerman is guilty of a crime that lead to Trayvon's death. He is not a hero he is a criminal, whether he is eventually convicted of the charge of second degree murder or not.
The confrontation did not occur "by his car." There were buildings between the point of confrontation and Zimmerman's vehicle.
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You are actually arguing profiling here. I wonder if guys like you ever put yourself into the shoes of a young black male...or the parent of one. This is where you make me sick, and then when I say you are taking a racist position, you go sideways and start accusing me of all kinds of shit.
But it doesn't change what you are doing here.
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You are actually arguing profiling here. I wonder if guys like you ever put yourself into the shoes of a young black male...or the parent of one. This is where you make me sick, and then when I say you are taking a racist position, you go sideways and start accusing me of all kinds of shit.
But it doesn't change what you are doing here.
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Yes, I know, you would prefer people frisk grandma and three year olds to be 'fair'.
Zimmerman pursued Martin. Zimmerman was armed. WTF do you call if it is not armed pursuit?
Trayvon was 17 and male. Young boy is an applicable term. With no record to speak of or any reasonable suspicion, CRIMINAL is not.
The ONLY proof that Martin confronted Zimmerman are the claims of Zimmerman.
Martin was walking. He was not plundering anything. He was not threatening anyone or anyones property, DRAMA QUEEN!
You are nothing but a hyperspinning race-baiting douchebag who relies solely on right wing blogs for your new information. They have not provided any.
So your argument is that armed civilians with a criminal record should be free to engage in racial profiling and stalking of black children and if those children react in any way be free to shoot them? No one should react to that with moral outrage and to call it racist is hyperbole? Are you seriously suggesting this bullshit? Are you really that stupid and oblivious?
No, they don't need to be trained in martial arts. They could just wait for the cops that arrived within minutes.
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So reasonable cause is not an option? We must either deny the rights of everyone or just minorities? Why?
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So your "proof" at the link is nothing more than a partisan Rightie website run by A GUY who got a letter from ANOTHER GUY who just happens to know A THIRD GUY who used google maps to lay out what he SPECULATES is the series of events that night...LMAO.
So basically what we've got here is just more unfounded third-hand speculation.
But the Righties buy it because it gives them a reason to express their hatred for Trayvon Martin
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Ok... you are intent upon sensationalizing this to suit your delusions. Understood.
LMAO... yeah, because when people say young boy, they think '17'. Give me a break. Again, you just wish to be a little drama queen.
Again, to suggest there was no reason to suspect him is bullshit. You continue to ignore everything that had occurred in that neighborhood in the past.
Wrong again, just because you continue to ignore the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The link is posted above.
Zimmerman was in his truck watching Martin. Martin then ran. Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows. While talking to the police. Martin had plenty of time to make it to the townhome he was staying in. Zimmerman stated he had lost Martin. Yet somehow Martin reappeared rather than go home. But you will again ignore all this and pretend that Martin was just strolling along.
Ahh... now we have the ignorant...'u listenin to right wing blogs'... which translates to 'I read that time line and realize it puts a big fucking hole in my argument and so I will now attack the source before acknowledging that I read that information'
Oh you poor little drama queen. Yes, I think if a neighborhood has experienced numerous break ins by black men that it is ok to watch a black person not from the neighborhood to protect property. You continue to pretend that Martin was this itty bitty child and not a person who was bigger than Zimmerman. No drama queen, no one said that anyone can just shoot anyone for reacting in any way. However, if someone starts beating the shit out of you, you do have a right to respond. I personally don't think it was necessary to shoot him (unless it can be proven that Martin went for the gun as Zimmerman proclaims).
No drama queen, but clearly you are both ignorant and oblivious. Intent upon believing the original bullshit the media fed you. Ignoring the reality of what occurred and the subsequent evidence presented. You are also a racist for continuing to paint that poor Hispanic man who was being beaten as a 'criminal'... why do you hate Hispanics?
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Oh but it's perfectly acceptable for your side to sensationalize all you like, eh? Once again we get a big ol heaping helping of that vaunted RightWing mantra "do as I say and not as I do".
And now the frustration begins to set in...
Yep...we see the results of "profiling" and how well it worked out for everyone!
Oh, you mean the link to the Rightie blog from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who made a map based on unfounded, third hand speculation but who you pig headedly continue to insist presents actual FACTS in his blog?
That "evidence"?
That's right...just buy into someone's baseless speculation because it says what you want it to say.
Ya know, I remember when you used to have some actual integrity...these days you're just another partisan hack spewing rhetoric.
You're the one who decided to post a blog by a guy who got a letter from another guy who knows a guy who speculates about that night based on more speculation and who tried to pass it off as "factual evidence".
Riiiiiight, but Zimmerman didn't just "watch" Trayvon, now did he? He took the law into his own, junior vigilante hands and it came back around to bite him on the ass. you and your friends have been celebrating the death of that young man and it's become necessary for you to paint him as some sort of thug in order to appease your troubled consciences.
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Reasonable cause is only an option only when THEY want it to be.