Gun Nut KILLS Daughter

USFREEDOM911 said:
But this has to do with you saying you would call the person who was supposed to be elsewhere!!
With a person approaching you, how are you going to call someone?

I've never posted anything that shows support for her actions; but I have been asking you to explain how you would do it differently and when I try to get you to be specific, you only use spin.
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USF simply ignores comments that shoot holes in his scenario:

Damocles said:
And again, I answered it. Let me do it again. Ask. My daughters know to answer me if I ask, "Who's there?" and why.
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Simply CALL OUT: Who is there?

Her daughter would have recognized her voice and answered the query.
 
Damocles said:
Actually I did. Re-read and use your brain at the same time. If I am grabbing my gun in my house, before I would shoot anybody I would either know that everybody I loved was not in the line of fire, or I would not shoot until I was sure that the person "approaching me in the dark" was not one of them. Any other action is taking unnecessary risk with your family. The most likely people to enter your house, even at night, are people who live there. Even if you think they are "supposed to be in North Carolina"...

The reality is, she didn't follow the first step in home defense, make sure you know where your loved ones are. Otherwise your chances of shooting one of your loved ones is very close to 100%.
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I agree with your sentiments, but I prefer this little baby. I have two of them. While there are many brighter lights,500 lumens is plenty bright. I gain an instant tactical advantage because I can see what I am looking at and the person looking my way can't.

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USFREEDOM911 said:
But this has to do with you saying you would call the person who was supposed to be elsewhere!!
With a person approaching you, how are you going to call someone?

I've never posted anything that shows support for her actions; but I have been asking you to explain how you would do it differently and when I try to get you to be specific, you only use spin.
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And I answered it again and again.

I'll ask you again. Do you think she had no choice but to shoot somebody in her house before she was sure they shouldn't be there? It really isn't hard.

If the person is approaching me before I made the call it would already be too late because I would simply call as I was preparing the gun. It really isn't that hard. It is astounding to me that you would accuse anybody else of being deliberately obtuse then pretending you don't know how to use a phone.

I don't sleep with the gun in my hand, and it literally takes less than a second to dial anybody on my speed dial list.

And if I didn't have that time, I again tell you. I would simply ask. People in my house know to answer that question and why.

It isn't "spin" it is preparation. It is why I took the classes. You should too, because everybody in your family is in danger as long as you believe that you should shoot anybody walking in your house in the dark before you are positive it isn't somebody who belongs there. You are too stupid to verify where everybody is before you start shooting people in the dark in your house and see no way to possibly do such a thing. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard from you or anybody on this board. You should not own a gun if you don't understand this simple idea. If you aren't sure you are shooting somebody that doesn't belong in your house then don't shoot.
 
Damocles said:
And I answered it again and again.

I'll ask you again. Do you think she had no choice but to shoot somebody in her house before she was sure they shouldn't be there? It really isn't hard.

If the person is approaching me before I made the call it would already be too late because I would simply call as I was preparing the gun. It really isn't that hard. It is astounding to me that you would accuse anybody else of being deliberately obtuse then pretending you don't know how to use a phone.

I don't sleep with the gun in my hand, and it literally takes less than a second to dial anybody on my speed dial list.

And if I didn't have that time, I again tell you. I would simply ask. People in my house know to answer that question and why.

It isn't "spin" it is preparation. It is why I took the classes. You should too, because everybody in your family is in danger as long as you believe that you should shoot anybody walking in your house in the dark before you are positive it isn't somebody who belongs there. You are too stupid to verify where everybody is before you start shooting people in the dark in your house and see no way to possibly do such a thing. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard from you or anybody on this board. You should not own a gun if you don't understand this simple idea. If you aren't sure you are shooting somebody that doesn't belong in your house then don't shoot.
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So as your calling and the approaching intruder now hears you talking on the phone, doesn't that give him a target; by identifying where you are?
How do you intend to take care of the rest of your family, if you incapacitated or dead?

I'm not supporting her decision; because I wasn't there.
What I'm doing is addressing what some to think is an easy fix and it appears that you want to take it personally.
You're usually better then this and in the past have been able to see both sides of the coin; but this time you just want to dig your heals in, refuse to consider the consequences of the choices you might make and just want to denigrate someone who challenges your decisions.

I apologize for addressing what you don't want to consider.

Since you still haven't volunteered how you intend to make this call, while someone is approaching you; without making you a target.

I'll move onto you verifying where everyone is, in your home, after you're able to put the first part into perspective.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So as your calling and the approaching intruder now hears you talking on the phone, doesn't that give him a target; by identifying where you are?
How do you intend to take care of the rest of your family, if you incapacitated or dead?

I'm not supporting her decision; because I wasn't there.
What I'm doing is addressing what some to think is an easy fix and it appears that you want to take it personally.
You're usually better then this and in the past have been able to see both sides of the coin; but this time you just want to dig your heals in, refuse to consider the consequences of the choices you might make and just want to denigrate someone who challenges your decisions.

I apologize for addressing what you don't want to consider.

Since you still haven't volunteered how you intend to make this call, while someone is approaching you; without making you a target.

I'll move onto you verifying where everyone is, in your home, after you're able to put the first part into perspective.
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Just outfit your family with kevlar pajamas and keep shooting at sounds in the dark lady... What could go wrong?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So as your calling and the approaching intruder now hears you talking on the phone, doesn't that give him a target; by identifying where you are?
How do you intend to take care of the rest of your family, if you incapacitated or dead?

I'm not supporting her decision; because I wasn't there.
What I'm doing is addressing what some to think is an easy fix and it appears that you want to take it personally.
You're usually better then this and in the past have been able to see both sides of the coin; but this time you just want to dig your heals in, refuse to consider the consequences of the choices you might make and just want to denigrate someone who challenges your decisions.

I apologize for addressing what you don't want to consider.

Since you still haven't volunteered how you intend to make this call, while someone is approaching you; without making you a target.

I'll move onto you verifying where everyone is, in your home, after you're able to put the first part into perspective.
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One of the first things you learn in a home defense class is to make a plan. One that takes certain things into consideration. One of the first is the reality that if you shoot at somebody in your home in the dark you are most likely shooting at somebody who is supposed to be there. So you make a plan and run through it in your mind. Where should everybody be? How do you get there to verify? What is the pattern of the rooms? If you can't check everybody before you find somebody approaching you make sure your family knows the pattern and that you will ask and expect to be answered "Who are you?" and why.

First part in to perspective. If I have time I would hit speed dial and ask my daughter where she is as I grabbed my gun... The phone is by my bed, in fact it sits on top of the gun safe attached to the wall. It serves well as a bed stand. I put it there so I would have access to my phone as part of my plan. I know that one person is outside of the house... Of course she would likely turn on the lights if she came home, but what if she's trying not to wake anybody? Should I shoot her because, like at USF's house, she would be walking in the dark?

If the intruder hears me talking on the phone it is again too late. They already know I'm awake, the dogs in the room barking would be a dead giveaway... it isn't going to hurt for them to know I'm talking on the phone to somebody and that I want to know where they are.

Stop playing stupid, man. Seriously. I'm done with this, it's the stupidest conversation I've ever held on here. In your opinion her only option was to open fire without knowing if the person she was shooting at belonged in the home. That's stupid. It was stupid then, it caused a tragedy, it would be stupid at my house, your house and every house.

And you. Specifically you. Who is too stupid to take a home defense class and learn to prepare. Should never keep a gun in your house because you think anybody approaching you in your home in the dark needs to be shot and that there is no way to prepare or make a contingency plan or even a way to find out if they are somebody you don't actually want to shoot. Your family is in great danger, sell your guns today.
 
Damocles said:
If the intruder hears me talking on the phone it is again too late. The "approaching intruder" would already be in my room if he was hearing that and it would be too late.

Stop playing stupid, man. Seriously. I'm done with this, the stupidest conversation I've ever held on here. In your opinion her only option was to open fire without knowing if the person she was shooting at belonged in the home. That's stupid. It was stupid then, it caused a tragedy, it would be stupid at my house, your house and every house.

And you. Specifically you. Who is too stupid to take a home defense class and learn to prepare. Should never keep a gun in your house because you think anybody approaching you in your home in the dark needs to be shot.
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OH, that's great Damo.

All along I've been trying to get you to explain how you were going to do what you wanted; when the intruder is already approaching you.
And now that you've finally come to realize that the intruder is approaching you, you decide to back out of the conversation.

You were the one who continued to ignore the part about the intruder already approaching you and instead just went the Buddhist route of insulting and trying to denigrate someone who was challenging your method.

What good are you to the rest of your family, if your actions leave you incapacitated or dead?
Do you want to lay their immobile; while the intruder does what ever he wants to, with the rest of your family?

You're the one who took this "personally" and instead of reading my questions with an open mind, you just kept repeating how you wanted things to be.

Too bad
So sad.
 
I see you deleted a post you had; but I'll still reply to the parts I remember.

So you hit speed dial and hopefully you have your phone on silent, so the approaching intruder doesn't hear the beeping sound the phone makes; but I'm not sure how good it does you to have it on silent, because you're not going to hear anyone call you at night.

Then what you fail to acknowledge; is that the minute you speak, you have given the approaching intruder knowledge of where you are and where to shot.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I see you deleted a post you had; but I'll still reply to the parts I remember.

So you hit speed dial and hopefully you have your phone on silent, so the approaching intruder doesn't hear the beeping sound the phone makes; but I'm not sure how good it does you to have it on silent, because you're not going to hear anyone call you at night.

Then what you fail to acknowledge; is that the minute you speak, you have given the approaching intruder knowledge of where you are and where to shot.
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I didn't delete, I filled in the last post. I'll quote it for you.
 
Damocles said:
One of the first things you learn in a home defense class is to make a plan. One that takes certain things into consideration. One of the first is the reality that if you shoot at somebody in your home in the dark you are most likely shooting at somebody who is supposed to be there. So you make a plan and run through it in your mind. Where should everybody be? How do you get there to verify? What is the pattern of the rooms? If you can't check everybody before you find somebody approaching you make sure your family knows the pattern and that you will ask and expect to be answered "Who are you?" and why.

First part in to perspective. If I have time I would hit speed dial and ask my daughter where she is as I grabbed my gun... The phone is by my bed, in fact it sits on top of the gun safe attached to the wall. It serves well as a bed stand. I put it there so I would have access to my phone as part of my plan. I know that one person is outside of the house... Of course she would likely turn on the lights if she came home, but what if she's trying not to wake anybody? Should I shoot her because, like at USF's house, she would be walking in the dark?

If the intruder hears me talking on the phone it is again too late. They already know I'm awake, the dogs in the room barking would be a dead giveaway... it isn't going to hurt for them to know I'm talking on the phone to somebody and that I want to know where they are.

Stop playing stupid, man. Seriously. I'm done with this, it's the stupidest conversation I've ever held on here. In your opinion her only option was to open fire without knowing if the person she was shooting at belonged in the home. That's stupid. It was stupid then, it caused a tragedy, it would be stupid at my house, your house and every house.

And you. Specifically you. Who is too stupid to take a home defense class and learn to prepare. Should never keep a gun in your house because you think anybody approaching you in your home in the dark needs to be shot and that there is no way to prepare or make a contingency plan or even a way to find out if they are somebody you don't actually want to shoot. Your family is in great danger, sell your guns today.
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Here is the whole post.
 
I particularly, for the sake of your family, want you to pay attention to that last sentence and do it. Otherwise some night somebody will get up for a snack and be walking in the dark and your stupid ass will just shoot them because they were "approaching you in the dark".
 
Damocles said:
And you. Specifically you. Who is too stupid to take a home defense class and learn to prepare. Should never keep a gun in your house because you think anybody approaching you in your home in the dark needs to be shot and that there is no way to prepare or make a contingency plan or even a way to find out if they are somebody you don't actually want to shoot. Your family is in great danger, sell your guns today.
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Maybe the people that live in USF's house aren't as stupid as those that occupy yours, damo.

Ever thought of that little tidbit?
 
ChoppedLiver said:
Maybe the people that live in USF's house aren't as stupid as those that occupy yours, damo.

Ever thought of that little tidbit?
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This is also a disturbingly stupid post. People in my family are smart enough to answer simple questions. So you too think that this woman's only option was to kill her daughter because she "approached her in the dark"? Think hard before you answer. I do know racists are stupid, but I suspect you wouldn't have shot your daughter in your house.
 
Damocles said:
This is also a disturbingly stupid post. People in my family are smart enough to answer simple questions. So you too think that this woman's only option was to kill her daughter because she "approached her in the dark"? Think hard before you answer. I do know racists are stupid, but I suspect you wouldn't have shot your daughter in your house.
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Do you have a house full of stupid racists?

You're not thinkin' of shooting them, are you?
 
Anyway, I'll pull this back in.

I'm truly horrified for this woman. I never want to have to face the fact that I killed my own daughter. Because of that I took classes once I had a family to find out what the best means to do that.

It is unlikely I'll ever be using a gun in my house at night, the dogs are far more likely to handle the problem before I get there and will know, even if it is dark, if the person belongs in the house. Shoot they even know if it is their car coming up the driveway and will start barking at strangers just approaching the house in a vehicle, let alone somebody that comes into the house.

However, taking the class was one of the smartest things I did. It made me think more about what to do, and helped me to make a plan of action rather than just wake up and grab a gun and start hunting people in my house. I have yet to need to take any action of the kind. The one time one of my daughters entered the house late at night the dogs made it very clear they were happy they were home rather than upset that a stranger had entered the house. It was easy to know, and I'm glad for that. I don't fear that anybody will enter my home. Shoot most people in our area don't even lock their doors.

Anyway, I'm getting all testy and that is not me and really rather useless. Time to start just answering your questions rather than getting all riled and sarcastic (though I do love sarcasm). Sorry about that, USF. I'll be more direct and without nasty sarcasm from this point on. At least in this thread.

If my dogs were not there, I would walk the pattern, check to ensure my daughters were where I think they are, and then move on. As I said before my daughters have also been informed of the plan, know the pattern and know to answer immediately if asked and why they need to. I also have different phrases just in case they were under duress when they answer. Not because I am paranoid but because the class made it clear that you want to be very sure before you shoot anybody as you have nearly a 100% chance to shoot somebody you didn't want to shoot if you are not prepared and take action without knowledge.

Why would I call the daughter that is now outside the house? Because I'd want to know. Why wouldn't I care if the intruder hears me on the phone? Because I think they would likely hear me preparing the gun regardless and may leave just based on knowing I am aware of their presence...

Anyway, USF. I prepared a plan and would follow it. This woman wishes she had. I recommend you make one. I do all of these things because a person I trust helped me to prepare a plan of action for scenarios I would not normally think of as I am not really all that paranoid.
 
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