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Voltaire said:
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

Again, children born abroad to two US citizen parents were US citizens at birth, as long as one of the parents resided in the US at some point before the birth of the child.

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.

While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship, amendments since 1952 have eliminated these requirements.
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that's part of the problem, Obama's mother had not resided in the US for five years after the age of 14.......she was eighteen when he was born.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
isn't that what we're trying to find out?.....
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Apparently not.

If he was born in the US, then (a) applies.

If birthers are correct and he wasn't born in the US, then (g) applies.

You people remind me of the warhawks described in the Downing Street memo. You're fixing the facts around your birther conspiracy theory.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that's part of the problem, Obama's mother had not resided in the US for five years after the age of 14.......she was eighteen when he was born.....
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She lived in the U.S. for the 18 years before he was born. She and the family moved to Hawaii after it became a state in 1959.

1942 Ann Dunham born in Kansas
1942-1948 lived in Kansas
1948-1955 lived in Oklahoma
1955-1956 lived in Seattle
1956-1960 lived in Mercer Island
1960 lived in Honolulu
1961 Barack is born in Honolulu
 
the Jesus freaks believe any lie that's told. I shouldn't be scocked with alll the science rejection too.
 
christiefan915 said:
Apparently not.

If he was born in the US, then (a) applies.

If birthers are correct and he wasn't born in the US, then (g) applies.

You people remind me of the warhawks described in the Downing Street memo. You're fixing the facts around your birther conspiracy theory.
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the paragraph G that you quoted is not the one in effect when Obama was born......Voltaire quoted the correct paragraph G.....
 
christiefan915 said:
She lived in the U.S. for the 18 years before he was born. She and the family moved to Hawaii after it became a state in 1959.

1942 Ann Dunham born in Kansas
1942-1948 lived in Kansas
1948-1955 lived in Oklahoma
1955-1956 lived in Seattle
1956-1960 lived in Mercer Island
1960 lived in Honolulu
1961 Barack is born in Honolulu
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yet, she did not live in the US for five years after she turned 14, as required by law when one parent is a foreign national.....no matter how hard you pretend it isn't a requirement, it still is.....
 
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lol Topspin, you can "groan" at me all you want...it doesn't change the law....all you're doing is saying "no thank you" to undeniable fact..........if you want to put the argument to rest, tell Obama to stop deadheading......
 
christiefan915 said:
Where are you claiming she lived?
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????....okay, lets go through this really slow.....she was eighteen when he was born......she had to live in the US for at least five years after she was 14 and before he was born......14 plus 5 is ??????......is this beginning to sink in, Chrissie?.....

paragraph g simply isn't available to you under the rules of mathematics.........

lol, this thread makes Topspin unhappy....he's groaned at me six times already......
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
????....okay, lets go through this really slow.....she was eighteen when he was born......she had to live in the US for at least five years after she was 14 and before he was born......14 plus 5 is ??????......is this beginning to sink in, Chrissie?.....

paragraph g simply isn't available to you under the rules of mathematics.........

lol, this thread makes Topspin unhappy....he's groaned at me six times already......
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Did you even read my previous post? Where is the gap in this chronology, where she lived outside the US? Which year(s) did she live outside the US? Where do you think she lived?

1942 Ann Dunham born in Kansas
1942-1948 lived in Kansas
1948-1955 lived in Oklahoma
1955-1956 lived in Seattle
1956-1960 lived in Mercer Island
1960 lived in Honolulu
1961 Barack is born in Honolulu
 
christiefan915 said:
Did you even read my previous post? Where is the gap in this chronology, where she lived outside the US? Which year(s) did she live outside the US? Where do you think she lived?

1942 Ann Dunham born in Kansas
1942-1948 lived in Kansas
1948-1955 lived in Oklahoma
1955-1956 lived in Seattle
1956-1960 lived in Mercer Island
1960 lived in Honolulu
1961 Barack is born in Honolulu
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Per the law, she must have lived at least 5 years in the US AFTER her 14th birthday. This makes it so that a person who is under the age of 19 could not possibly meet the the time requirement. If such a person did have a child outside the US, per the laws at that time, and the second parent was not a US citizen and meet those requirements, there would be no transfer of citizenship. The child would not be a US citizen in those circumstances.

Basically (I don't believe this, I personally think that Barack was born in Honolulu) if Barack actually were born in Kenya, he would not be a US citizen unless his parents naturalized him after the fact.

It wouldn't matter how many years previous she lived in the US or that she never left before the trip on which she gave birth, per the requirements of law at the time if she gave birth to Obama outside the US younger than the age of 19, and if Obama Sr. were his father, Obama would not be a "natural born citizen"...
 
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