GOP Attacks Citizen Led Initiatives

ThatOwlWoman said:
Laziness has nothing to do with it. Most ppl under the age of 65 are still working, most of them FT. If you are a nurse or other hospital staffer working 12s, you work from 7a-7p if you're lucky enough to have day shift. Ditto for LEOs, firefighters, paramedics, SNF staff, business owners, etc. Some of us live in places where the November climate is dicey and often dangerous to drive in. Some of us are elderly, and maybe don't drive any more, or shouldn't. Some of us like mail-in balloting because it gives you the luxury of looking up the candidates and where they stand on the issues, as you fill it out. Some of us don't care to stand in line with people who have colds, the flu, COVID.

Many of us have deplored low voter turnout over the years. To me the height of patriotism is casting my ballot. I was given that right by the blood of men and women who fought and died for us; to not vote is to dishonor them. I want everyone to vote and if that means making it easier, so much the better.

The problem with Republicans is they know that higher voter turnout means more likelihood that they will lose, or so they believe. Interestingly, Alaskan -- which you'll agree is solidly in the red state category -- has had vote-by-mail for years, yet (R)s consistently win there. If you're afraid of the voters, then maybe there is something wrong with you and your policies, not something wrong with the voters.
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I disagree. I don't get mail in but the GF does. She bitches and throws it out. (She's a Democrat). So it's not just Reps who are against mail in for those who can go to the polls in person.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What about elderly people, Arbie? People who still have their wits but lack mobility? What about people who have to work on election day or are out of town? Why do you seek to disenfranchise them?
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Read my post, you brain dead ignorant coward.

And like I said, only my friends can call me Arby. You are NOT my friend.
 
martin said:
A big factor is our workday voting. For retired Republicans living on IRA's, etc. and others employed but not locked into mandatory hours at the plant or wherever this is less an issue than it is with Democrat blue collar workers. Democrats have often proposed making national election days national holidays but Republicans understand their advantage and won't agree to it.
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"But we've always done it that way!" -- typical (R) What they really mean: "If more people vote, the fewer of us will be in office."

Someone posted a link to this article earlier in this discussion. This bit is striking:

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Hundreds of thousands of people signed petitions this year backing proposed ballot initiatives to expand voting access, ensure abortion rights and legalize recreational marijuana in Arizona, Arkansas and Michigan.

Yet voters might not get a say because Republican officials or judges have blocked the proposals from the November elections, citing flawed wording, procedural shortcomings or insufficient petition signatures.

At the same time, Republican lawmakers in Arkansas and Arizona have placed constitutional amendments on the ballot proposing to make it harder to approve citizen initiatives in the future.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
"But we've always done it that way!" -- typical (R) What they really mean: "If more people vote, the fewer of us will be in office."

Someone posted a link to this article earlier in this discussion. This bit is striking:
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Republicans see it as a battle for survival. Trumpism has infected their core voters but turns off more than it attracts, ensuring GOP minority status.
 
RB 60 said:
Dutch Uncle said:
RB 60 said:
No. It's all about being too lazy to go vote at the polls like the rest of us.
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What about elderly people, Arbie? People who still have their wits but lack mobility? What about people who have to work on election day or are out of town? Why do you seek to disenfranchise them?
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Read my post, you brain dead ignorant coward.

And like I said, only my friends can call me Arby. You are NOT my friend.
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Yeah, I read it, Arby. Your reaction is all the answer intelligent people need. LOL

You're a violent person who needs to be watched, son.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
They're a good example of the saying "Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas."
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Agreed. The Republican leadership had a choice, just like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

They not only made the wrong choice but have doubled down on the wrong choice. IMO, that only makes them doubly wrong.

I watched Nikki Haley, a women I once respected and would have voted for President, rant on Fox News about Leftists and the election.

Sad to see my former party in league with traitorous scumbag pedos like Trump.
 
martin said:
Republicans and other Right wingers are attacking our democratic values and institutions on multiple fronts. The phony Stolen Election campaign hit one stone wall after another but it has not given up. Rather it is being expanded. Republicans are trying to wrest control of traditionally non partisan functions such as voting registration. Most recently, ballot initiatives seeking to protect state abortion rights, voting rights, and legalizing marijuana are being attacked, not the initiatives themselves but the right to even conduct them.


https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...al-marijuana-0c003046cc981ebcfb38fa77c1455737

It's a dangerous time in America, not the first time we've faced one.
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there is nothing citizen led about the 2020 election, thats 100% govt so understand that is the definition of tyranny.

so far as pot and the murder of babies goes, that seems to be working itself out as it should, the will of the people are the influence there. though it is not surprising that there is less support for that than you seem to have thought there would be.
 
Celticguy said:
there is nothing citizen led about the 2020 election, thats 100% govt so understand that is the definition of tyranny.

so far as pot and the murder of babies goes, that seems to be working itself out as it should, the will of the people are the influence there. though it is not surprising that there is less support for that than you seem to have thought there would be.
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It may be a definition of tyranny, and saying the 2020 election was decided by the government, not the voters, is a definition of having your mind stolen by Donald Trump. So you could say something about Trump’s defeat has been stolen.
 
martin said:
It may be a definition of tyranny, and saying the 2020 election was decided by the government, not the voters, is a definition of having your mind stolen by Donald Trump. So you could say something about Trump’s defeat has been stolen.
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Donald Trump did not tell the Pennsylvania ballot people they HAD to allow observers sfter they thew them out, that was a Supreme Courtt judge. This isnt just DJT Marty, this is a variety of govt agents ignoring protocol, violating state laws and rewriting other laws when only legislators are permitted to do so.
 
Celticguy said:
Donald Trump did not tell the Pennsylvania ballot people they HAD to allow observers sfter they thew them out, that was a Supreme Courtt judge. This isnt just DJT Marty, this is a variety of govt agents ignoring protocol, violating state laws and rewriting other laws when only legislators are permitted to do so.
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The observers are not the reason Trump lost the state by 80,000 votes, or that the many and various Stolen Election claims had any effect whatsoever other than to sow distrust in the institution of citizen voting. It’s not that Trump’s defenders didn’t try. They launched scores of lawsuits that failed. The only positive outcomes in this national fiasco will be the damage awards in the libel and slander countersuits.
 
martin said:
The observers are not the reason Trump lost the state by 80,000 votes, or that the many and various Stolen Election claims had any effect whatsoever other than to sow distrust in the institution of citizen voting. It’s not that Trump’s defenders didn’t try. They launched scores of lawsuits that failed. The only positive outcomes in this national fiasco will be the damage awards in the libel and slander countersuits.
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And the arrests and convictions for election tampering by his minions who came up with the bogus idea of fake electors, accessing voting machines w/o authorization, threatening election workers, etc. etc.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And the arrests and convictions for election tampering by his minions who came up with the bogus idea of fake electors, accessing voting machines w/o authorization, threatening election workers, etc. etc.
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A lot of people are in jail for this and will continue being convicted and going to jail for this.

Notice how certain previously loudmouthed murderous members of JPP are a lot more reticent these days. LOL

Fuck all of them. Let'em burn.

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