General Grant Promoted

[Walt]

I thought liberals hated Grant because he once own a slave. Even though he eventually freed him.

We know that Grant did free William Jones. It is supposed that to free a slave, he must first have bought a slave. It appears that he bought and freed the slave within a short period, and it is always assumed he bought the slave to free him.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Probably historically underrated as a president too

He oversaw one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. I don't think he himself was particularly corrupt but apparently he found a way to surround himself with corrupt people.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Ah yes, Josh "Heehaw! Haulin' ass!" Hawley. You'll remember him as the one who gave the gathering rioters a fist bump on his way to Congress. Later he was filmed running for his life from the mob.

My apologies. That witless treason weasel wasn’t involved. You would have to be a true American patriot to sponsor a bill like this so, my bad. It wasn’t Treason Weasel Hawley. It was Only Blunt and Brown who sponsored
from the Senate. House Member Ann Wagner (R-2) MO was primary sponsor in the House.

 

[Cypress]

He oversaw one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. I don't think he himself was particularly corrupt but apparently he found a way to surround himself with corrupt people.

That's why I wrote he was 'historically underated'. For about 100 years after his presidency, historians typically ranked Grant near the bottom in the pantheon of American presidents.

It wasn't until the last few decades that his reputation has been rehabilitated. He is now recognized as the most important president of the 19th century on promoting and establishing civil rights laws protecting freed black citizens and undoing the damage Andrew Johnson did to post civil war reconstruction.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

We know that Grant did free William Jones. It is supposed that to free a slave, he must first have bought a slave. It appears that he bought and freed the slave within a short period, and it is always assumed he bought the slave to free him.

That would be a wrong supposition. Grant’s Father in-law gave Jones to his daughter Julia as a wedding gift.

 

[Nordberg]

I thought liberals hated Grant because he once own a slave. Even though he eventually freed him.

That is not thinking. We appreciate what he did in the Civil War. Read his autobiography and see how difficult the war was.

 

[Hawkeye10]

This is a part of the insanity of the Modern Morons rewriting history to suit them.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

That's reasonable. As a general, Grant wasn't truly outstanding, and neither was Lee. Grant's success came from a combination of having what amounted to near overwhelming forces at his disposal, combined with tenacity and willingness to fight.
Grant as a President also succeeded insofar as dealing with the South and issues far better than Andrew Johnson did.

I’m sorry but you would be completely wrong in your assessment of Grant as a General. This is what I meant about driving a stake through the heart of the revisionist Neo-Confederate Lost Cause Mythologies as this was one of the main mythologies that has crept into our educational system like a cancer thanks largely to revisionist Lost Cause historians like Freeman and Woodrow Wilson.

The fact is both Lee and Grant were great Generals. Lee had nearly been diefied by lost causers and certainly wasn’t the equal of Grant. Lee though was still a great general and could fairly described as the last great Napoleonic Genera. Grant on the other hand Grant was the first truly modern industrial age General.

The notion that Grant won the Civil War by brute force and overwhelming material advantages though is completely wrong.

 

[Diesel]

Personally I like Grant but that does not forgive the fact that he was a slave owner for more than two years.. And remember those plantation slave owners were Democrats.

https://apnews.com/article/violence...olina-police-9a01ee49102df70f10ce54ae04a46fa6

I know you don't have the mental capabilities to understand this, you fake doctor, but I repeat it whenever you ignorant, illiterate morons claim that the current Democratic party is comprised of the same membership as the Civil War era Democrats.

When Democrats passed civil rights legislation in the 1960s all the KKK MAGA types defected to the Republican party. That's where you live. That's where you all have lived for six decades. Read a fucking book.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

That is not thinking. We appreciate what he did in the Civil War. Read his autobiography and see how difficult the war was.

Grants memoirs is a fantastic read. You quickly learn why he was such an effective leader. I mean he is so clear and concise in his thinking that it’s nearly impossible to misinterpret what he says.

 

[Hawkeye10]

There is now nothing to stop the WOKE from demoting military members long dead that they dont like now that they have no shame.....they are no better than the Soviets.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Grants memoirs is a fantastic read. You quickly learn why he was such an effective leader. I mean he is so clear and concise in his thinking that it’s nearly impossible to misinterpret what he says.

And yet it happens, just ten years ago I was still reading that he was one of the dumbest generals of the civll war, and that he had a lot of competition.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

This is a part of the insanity of the Modern Morons rewriting history to suit them.

You talking about the revisionist Lost Cause historians who created the lies and mythologies about Grant in the first place?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I’m sorry but you would be completely wrong in your assessment of Grant as a General. This is what I meant about driving a stake through the heart of the revisionist Neo-Confederate Lost Cause Mythologies as this was one of the main mythologies that has crept into our educational system like a cancer thanks largely revisionist to Lost Cause historians like Freeman and Woodrow Wilson.

The fact is both Lee and Grant were great Generals. Lee had nearly been diefied by lost causers and certainly wasn’t the equal of Grant. Lee though was still a great general and could fairly described as the last great Napoleonic Genera. Grant on the other hand Grant was the first truly modern industrial age General.

The notion that Grant won the Civil War by brute force and overwhelming material advantages though is completely wrong.

No, they weren't. Lee had the great luck to have two perfectly matched subordinates in Jackson and Longstreet, while facing mediocre opponents. With Jackson's death, and the expansion of the Army of Northern Virginia into three corps, that magic was gone, and Lee subsequently never saw another victory.

Grant in the West showed what tenacity and staying on the offensive could do. In combination with Foote's naval flotilla he took the Mississippi river from the South and his victory at Vicksburg was all tenacity. Afterwards, sending Sherman on his march was in following Union grand strategy to divide up the South. Against Lee, Grant had overwhelming forces and he ground Lee down until forced to surrender.

It wasn't brilliant generaling. It was tenacious and aggressive. It was a lack of those two qualities that did Macclellan in earlier in the war. He thought himself a brilliant strategist and sharper than anyone else in terms of warfare. His arrogance and an unwillingness to fight before having massive, overwhelming, odds ala Montgomery, caused him to be sacked and replaced.

See Wood:

 

[Mott the Hoople]

And yet it happens, just ten years ago I was still reading that he was one of the dumbest generals of the civll war, and that he had a lot of competition.

Well there are a lot of Neo-Confederate revisionist who had those opinions. When the facts are examined in the open light those Lost Cause mythologies don’t hold up to the facts.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Camp Grant was a U.S. Army facility located in the southern outskirts of Rockford, Illinois named in honor of American Civil War general Ulysses S. Grant. Camp Grant covered an area of 5,600 acres during World War I and 3,200 acres during World War II, and was in operation from 1917 to 1946.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Grant_(Illinois)

The Ulysses S. Grant Home in Galena, Illinois is the former home of Ulysses S. Grant, the Civil War general and later 18th President of the United States. The home was designed by William Dennison[3] and constructed in 1859 - 1860.[2] The home was given to Grant by residents of Galena in 1865 as thanks for his war service, and has been maintained as a memorial to Grant since 1904.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant_Home

 

[Guno צְבִי]

There is now nothing to stop the WOKE from demoting military members long dead that they dont like now that they have no shame.....they are no better than the Soviets.

^^^^^^^^^

Ignominious who gets his history from Wiki

 

[ExpressLane]

Oh for Pete’s sake. First the slave was a gift to Grants wife by her slave owning father, Grant treated the man well, worked side by side with him in trying to build Hard Scrabble for which the locals were appalled that he did manual labor side by side with the man and then less than two years he freed the man when he could of sold him for $1500 which at that time was worth more than twice the annual median household income and Grant was dead broke at the time.

Nor does it take into account that, with time and experience, a person can change and grow as Grant did on the issue of slavery and Civil Rights. Grant was deeply moved by the dedication, loyalty, courage and fighting skills of the Black Soldiers he enlisted. Let’s not forget Grant was the first major Union Officer to utilize freed slaves and created the Freedman’s Bureau during the war. He also fought for and succeeded getting Black soldiers equal pay. Not to mention Grant de facto permanently won Black folks freedom by defeating the Confederacy on the Battlefield.

I would also suggest that you read what the Contemporary Black Intellectuals of that time, such as, Frederick Douglass, felt about Grants service and commitment to Freed Black Folk.

I mean if all you have is he inherited a slave from his wife that he shortly there after freed when he was dead broke all I can say is “Ward, don’t you think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver?”.

Hey number one I like Grant and it was YOUR side that was trying to destroy his bust not the Right. Many small time slave owners worked side by side with their slave or slaves so that does not give him credibility. Plus Grant didn’t refuse the gift of another human being. The left calls Trump a racist because his company didn’t want poor people driving his real estate slur down. There is no evidence that Trump himself made that decision. In the remaining decades Trump has placed people of color and women in high positions in his companies but you guys still call him a racist.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

When Democrats passed civil rights legislation in the 1960s all the KKK MAGA types defected to the Republican party. .

you have to be incredibly stupid to believe that, given that the demmycrats actually voted against the Civil Rights Act that the Republicans supported.....I'm not sure even the demmyrats would have been stupid enough to have switched to the party that passed the act they tried to block......

 

[Diesel]

you have to be incredibly stupid to believe that, given that the demmycrats actually voted against the Civil Rights Act that the Republicans supported.....I'm not sure even the demmyrats would have been stupid enough to have switched to the party that passed the act they tried to block......

You deny history and reality. There is no basis for a continued conversation.