General Grant Promoted

Mott the Hoople said:
A couple of years ago there were protesters at the Statue to Sherman who were arguing it should be torn down because Sherman was a racist. They were primarily a bunch of kids on a trolling mission. It worked. Not surprisingly they pissed off a whole lot of people.
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Sherman wasn't a racist,he was a realist.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh for Pete’s sake. First the slave was a gift to Grants wife by her slave owning father, Grant treated the man well, worked side by side with him in trying to build Hard Scrabble for which the locals were appalled that he did manual labor side by side with the man and then less than two years he freed the man when he could of sold him for $1500 which at that time was worth more than twice the annual median household income and Grant was dead broke at the time.

Nor does it take into account that, with time and experience, a person can change and grow as Grant did on the issue of slavery and Civil Rights. Grant was deeply moved by the dedication, loyalty, courage and fighting skills of the Black Soldiers he enlisted. Let’s not forget Grant was the first major Union Officer to utilize freed slaves and created the Freedman’s Bureau during the war. He also fought for and succeeded getting Black soldiers equal pay. Not to mention Grant de facto permanently won Black folks freedom by defeating the Confederacy on the Battlefield.

I would also suggest that you read what the Contemporary Black Intellectuals of that time, such as, Frederick Douglass, felt about Grants service and commitment to Freed Black Folk.

I mean if all you have is he inherited a slave from his wife that he shortly there after freed when he was dead broke all I can say is “Ward, don’t you think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver?”.
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So, Grant was a slave owner.

Shouldn’t his statues be removed?

The highest military rank is O-10, or "five-star general." It is symbolized by five stars for each of the military services. Although it is currently a part of the military service rank system, no officer has been promoted to it since World War II, when the rank was created.
 
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ExpressLane said:
Personally I like Grant but that does not forgive the fact that he was a slave owner for more than two years.. And remember those plantation slave owners were Democrats.

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Those plantation slave owners were American conservatives who happened to be Democrats in the American south. They were slave owners because they were American conservatives...not because they were Democrats.

The putrid American conservatives have always been scum...and always been wrong on every serious problem our nation has ever faced. They were wrong during Revolutionary times, when they (known then as Tories) were the ones arguing that we all owed our loyalties to George III, who was, they said, our liege lord. During Civil War days, they were wrong by being the ones who owned slaves and who broke away from the Union to preserve that right. More recently they are wrong because...well, mostly because they are fucking morons.
 
Earl said:
So, Grant was a slave owner.

Shouldn’t his statues be removed?

The highest military rank is O-10, or "five-star general." It is symbolized by five stars for each of the military services. Although it is currently a part of the military service rank system, no officer has been promoted to it since World War II, when the rank was created.
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That is true but if you go back to “promoted to it since WWI” Blackjack Pershing was the only officer promoted to General of the Armies while in active command. The rank of General of the Armies is essentially a military honor. Washington and Grant were promoted posthumously. However for historical purposes and seniority the General of the Armies is an official U.S. Army rank. So for historical reasons Washington, Grant and Pershing out rank all five star General of the Army and the two Four Star General of the Army. The General of the Army was a four star rank prior to WWII when it became the general rank. Due to that situation Sherman and Sheridan outrank all other four star generals.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
On Dec 28, 2022 General Ulysses S. Grant, in commemoration of the 200th anniversary of his birth, was posthumously promoted, retroactively to the 6 Star rank of General of the Armies.

This makes U.S. Grant the second highest ranking General in U.S. history and subordinate in rank only to General Washington.

Considering that Grant is widely considered by historians as Americas greatest military commander and one of the greatest military commanders in world history this promotion was long overdue.
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Grant was from a different age, he was essentially a civilian. People today may not be able to understand that.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Then how comes the price for slaves continued to rise? Do you think slaves can’t be taught to work as a slave?

The British wouldn’t have modernized the Confederacy. They would have encouraged them to further base their economy on one or two commercial agricultural crops.
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As always the victor writes the history books at least in the US anyway. Perhaps you ought to read this excellent article to see what was more likely to happen based on the many countries that the Brits had already done the same elsewhere. Whether it was railways in Britain, France, India, the United States, Argentina or dozens of other countries and colonies, Britain provided the capital to build the railways which modernised the world. Britain also invested in banks, utilities, mining and other industries essential to the modern economy.

You can be sure that they would have done the same in the southern states as well, if you think otherwise then you're not being objective and seeing the whole picture.

How Britain built the modern world

https://globalfinancialdata.com/how-britain-built-the-modern-world
 
Mott the Hoople said:
On Dec 28, 2022 General Ulysses S. Grant, in commemoration of the 200th anniversary of his birth, was posthumously promoted, retroactively to the 6 Star rank of General of the Armies.

This makes U.S. Grant the second highest ranking General in U.S. history and subordinate in rank only to General Washington.

Considering that Grant is widely considered by historians as Americas greatest military commander and one of the greatest military commanders in world history this promotion was long overdue.
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Grant owned a Slave. You as a democrat appreciate that and his promotion. Typical racist democrat.
 
Guille said:
Grant was from a different age, he was essentially a civilian. People today may not be able to understand that.
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Grant was not essentially a Civilian. From the time he 16 until he was 34 he’d been in the military. From the time he resigned his commission till the Civil War broke out was only 4 years. Yes he was a civilian when the war started but he was hardly a neophyte at soldiering.
 
serendipity said:
As always the victor writes the history books at least in the US anyway. Perhaps you ought to read this excellent article to see what was more likely to happen based on the many countries that the Brits had already done the same elsewhere. Whether it was railways in Britain, France, India, the United States, Argentina or dozens of other countries and colonies, Britain provided the capital to build the railways which modernised the world. Britain also invested in banks, utilities, mining and other industries essential to the modern economy.

You can be sure that they would have done the same in the southern states as well, if you think otherwise then you're not being objective and seeing the whole picture.

How Britain built the modern world

https://globalfinancialdata.com/how-britain-built-the-modern-world
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I call nonsense. The confederacy, at that time had more rail mileage than Great Britain did and the Union States had more rail mileage than all of Europe had.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
Grant owned a Slave. You as a democrat appreciate that and his promotion. Typical racist democrat.
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Typical ignoramous with confirmation bias. Grant also freed the man when he was flat broke and the selling price for an adult male slave was comparable to three years income for the average person.

So what other brilliant Lost Cause Mythology are you going to espouse next?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Typical ignoramous with confirmation bias. Grant also freed the man when he was flat broke and the selling price for an adult male slave was comparable to three years income for the average person.

So what other brilliant Lost Cause Mythology are you going to espouse next?
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Mott old bean! How is it going in inbred Ohio??????? Furthering the cause I see. Now go fuck yourself.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Grant was not essentially a Civilian. From the time he 16 until he was 34 he’d been in the military. From the time he resigned his commission till the Civil War broke out was only 4 years. Yes he was a civilian when the war started but he was hardly a neophyte at soldiering.
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No he wasn't.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I call nonsense. The confederacy, at that time had more rail mileage than Great Britain did and the Union States had more rail mileage than all of Europe had.
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So what about all the railways built in Africa, South America, Russia, China, India and Asia? The Brits built over 25,000 miles in India alone. The Confederate states were a mess with different railway gauges, signalling and infrastructure. I recommend that you read that excellent article I posted first before saying anything.

https://globalfinancialdata.com/how-britain-built-the-modern-world
 
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serendipity said:
So what about all the railways built in Africa, South America, India and Asia? The Brits built over 25,000 miles in India alone. The Confederate states were a mess with different railway gauges, signalling and infrastructure.
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You are most certainly not to mention that the British did good works around the world!
 
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