FISA warrant of Carter Page should scare all Americans and spur reform

Thanks for linking to that article, kudzu. It's long but well worth reading in full.

I've been generally agnostic about the Steele dossier and the significance of Trump's Russian connections, but reading the article made me think.

Trump defenders should read it.

It’s basically a puff-piece on Steele along with the wearisome and seemingly obligatory ‘according to people familiar with the matter’ leading into several paragraphs. That sort of ‘reporting’ has haunted the Russian collusion thing from the get-go.

Why is the New Yorker trying to rehabilitate him?
 
It’s basically a puff-piece on Steele along with the wearisome and seemingly obligatory ‘according to people familiar with the matter’ leading into several paragraphs. That sort of ‘reporting’ has haunted the Russian collusion thing from the get-go.

Why is the New Yorker trying to rehabilitate him?

Steele doesn't need rehabilitating.. He's the real deal.
 
I'm sorry but as long as FISA warrants have been around they never seemed to matter in the past. Now that there is one dominant party they only matter. Like everything else it's just utter bullshit. It should have mattered ALL the Fuck along regardless of which party was in power. It never did until now.
 
I'm sorry but as long as FISA warrants have been around they never seemed to matter in the past. Now that there is one dominant party they only matter. Like everything else it's just utter bullshit. It should have mattered ALL the Fuck along regardless of which party was in power. It never did until now.

When was the FISA court misled in order to spy on a major campaign in a presidential race?

Find a similar instance and we’ll discuss it.
 
It’s basically a puff-piece on Steele along with the wearisome etc.etc ...


You've read the article? All of it?

The Steele dossier is raw intelligence which may or may not be confirmed, but so far NONE of it has been discredited. It needs to be thoroughly investigated.

All we've had from Trump and his helpers is bad-mouthing and distraction.
 
I'm sorry but as long as FISA warrants have been around they never seemed to matter in the past. Now that there is one dominant party they only matter. Like everything else it's just utter bullshit. It should have mattered ALL the Fuck along regardless of which party was in power. It never did until now.
hey CROW..good to see you. FISA applications require verified testimony

If the FISA process was abused -and it looks like the Steele dossier was used either as a primary assertion or a supporting document; and the dossier was not verified ( parts true or not are not verified) then it's a process crime according to the FBI's proceedures.

And we are talking about not just surveilling Americans, but also any Americans who words are incidentally intercepted.

From your perch -don't you think this needs to be investigated, given the stakes are the 4th Amendment here?
 
Steele was such a valuable asset, the FBI fired him for leaking to the media lol.

He was a very credible and valuable asset. He merely broke one of their rules. As much as you want to believe so, it doesn’t speak to his credibility.

When did the FBI actually “hire” him anyway?
 
hey CROW..good to see you. FISA applications require verified testimony

If the FISA process was abused -and it looks like the Steele dossier was used either as a primary assertion or a supporting document; and the dossier was not verified ( parts true or not are not verified) then it's a process crime according to the FBI's proceedures.

And we are talking about not just surveilling Americans, but also any Americans who words are incidentally intercepted.

From your perch -don't you think this needs to be investigated, given the stakes are the 4th Amendment here?

Steele was not used as primary. That has been debunked too much to be relevant. Just no.

This shit is small. It does not take much to see a grifter. Fuck party this asswipe is a grifter. Also for shits and grins fuck Hillary and the Democratic party as it is.
Lets get real. This entire system is a neocon scam. Until you use your perception to get at the real problem, you are just a reactive fool no different thanthe status quo. It's not hard to see from a certain spiritual perspective, at all.
 
He was a very credible and valuable asset. He merely broke one of their rules. As much as you want to believe so, it doesn’t speak to his credibility.

When did the FBI actually “hire” him anyway?

Steele’s credibility is no better than his *Russian* contacts.

And judging by the Dossier they weren’t so hot.
 
FBI requires confidentiality, surely a seasoned spook like Steele knew this?


Steele took his information to the FBI voluntarily; he wasn't "hired" and never received a cent from them. They seemed to be taking no action, then ten days before the election director Comey announced that he was reopening the email investigation.

Steele suspected they had been somehow "turned". That's when he broke with the FBI and went to the media.
 
Steele’s credibility is no better than his *Russian* contacts.

And judging by the Dossier they weren’t so hot.

All your wishing doesn't make it true. So sad for you.

You didn't answer the question. When did the FBI actually hire him in the first place? If you don't know, just say so.
 
Steele took his information to the FBI voluntarily; he wasn't "hired" and never received a cent from them. They seemed to be taking no action, then ten days before the election director Comey announced that he was reopening the email investigation.

Steele suspected they had been somehow "turned". That's when he broke with the FBI and went to the media.
who had been "turned"? the FBI??
Steele had already been paid for the dossier -right? so this greedy ex-British agent thinks he'll just do what he wants to and contact the press? The guy is a regular James Bond (not) .
He's a hateful hack that put his own dossier at risk, and any verified info the FBI could use as well.
 
Before anyone jumps to defend Carter Page

I'm not reading your defende for the proven Russian collaborator Christopher Steele, your continued stand for the veracity of the thoroughly debunked pissgate dossier proves how ridiculous you are.
 
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