firing squads, poison gas, no strangulation?? trump approves more execution methods

[Bill]

Is this a GOOD, BAD OR UGLY IDEA??

Poison gas, firing squads: US approves more execution methods

Outgoing Trump administration paves way for additional methods of executing prisoners sentenced to death.
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The outgoing regime of Trump is paving the way for additional methods of executing prisoners who have been sentenced to death in the United States.

The Justice Department is quietly amending its execution protocols, no longer requiring federal death sentences to be carried out by lethal injection and clearing the way to use other methods like firing squads and poison gas.

The amended rule, published on Friday in the Federal Register, allows the US government to conduct executions by lethal injection or use “any other manner prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed”.

A number of states allow other methods of execution, including electrocution, inhaling nitrogen gas or death by firing squad.

It remains unclear whether the Justice Department will seek to use any methods other than lethal injection for executions in the future.

The rule – which goes into effect on December 24 – comes as the Justice Department has scheduled five executions during the lame-duck period, including three just days before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

 

[Sailor]

Is this a GOOD, BAD OR UGLY IDEA??

Poison gas, firing squads: US approves more execution methods

Outgoing Trump administration paves way for additional methods of executing prisoners sentenced to death.
​

The outgoing regime of Trump is paving the way for additional methods of executing prisoners who have been sentenced to death in the United States.

The Justice Department is quietly amending its execution protocols, no longer requiring federal death sentences to be carried out by lethal injection and clearing the way to use other methods like firing squads and poison gas.

The amended rule, published on Friday in the Federal Register, allows the US government to conduct executions by lethal injection or use “any other manner prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed”.

A number of states allow other methods of execution, including electrocution, inhaling nitrogen gas or death by firing squad.

It remains unclear whether the Justice Department will seek to use any methods other than lethal injection for executions in the future.

The rule – which goes into effect on December 24 – comes as the Justice Department has scheduled five executions during the lame-duck period, including three just days before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

I wonder what happens if a particular state does not have a death penalty? This will end up in court.

 

[Bill]

Didn't consider that issue......

The system we have now is crazy..

I have many hesitations regarding the death penalty & the many mistakes but if they are gonna do it, why not just a bullet, gas, hang etc??

 

[Flash]

I wonder what happens if a particular state does not have a death penalty? This will end up in court.

It will probably be limited to lethal injection.

 

[Flash]

I wonder what happens if a particular state does not have a death penalty? This will end up in court.

The federal government still has the death penalty. They will probably use lethal injection. It does not require them to use the method used by that state, it just gives them that option.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I wonder what happens if a particular state does not have a death penalty? This will end up in court.

That's a good point. I don't know what the outrage here is about. The feds should always defer to the states in these matters unless there is some clear and present danger to the public as to why they should not defer.

I'm conflicted about the death penalty. On one hand my sense of justice says that there are some who should not be allowed to walk among us, even if we lock them up in solitary confinement until they croak of natural causes. On the other hand there have been far too many death penalty sentences of the mentally-deficient, mentally-ill, too-poor-to-afford-effective-counsel, totally innocent (way too many of those!), and then there is the racial and wealth disparity too.

I'd rather reserve the death penalty for totally egregious cases. And make the executions public.

 

[Bill]

That's a good point. I don't know what the outrage here is about. The feds should always defer to the states in these matters unless there is some clear and present danger to the public as to why they should not defer.

I'm conflicted about the death penalty. On one hand my sense of justice says that there are some who should not be allowed to walk among us, even if we lock them up in solitary confinement until they croak of natural causes. On the other hand there have been far too many death penalty sentences of the mentally-deficient, mentally-ill, too-poor-to-afford-effective-counsel, totally innocent (way too many of those!), and then there is the racial and wealth disparity too.

I'd rather reserve the death penalty for totally egregious cases. And make the executions public.

I kinda found that surprising......

Why public??

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I say give the condemned a choice......between a dull butter knife or naked pictures of Joe and Nancy Pelosi......

 

[cancel2 2022]

That's a good point. I don't know what the outrage here is about. The feds should always defer to the states in these matters unless there is some clear and present danger to the public as to why they should not defer.

I'm conflicted about the death penalty. On one hand my sense of justice says that there are some who should not be allowed to walk among us, even if we lock them up in solitary confinement until they croak of natural causes. On the other hand there have been far too many death penalty sentences of the mentally-deficient, mentally-ill, too-poor-to-afford-effective-counsel, totally innocent (way too many of those!), and then there is the racial and wealth disparity too.

I'd rather reserve the death penalty for totally egregious cases. And make the executions public.

I bet there are a few you'd like to Top, eh Joanie!

 

[cancel2 2022]

I kinda found that surprising......

Why public??

Because she's a osycho, have you only just realised?

 

[dukkha]

A number of states (already) allow other methods of execution, including electrocution, inhaling nitrogen gas or death by firing squad.

 

[Grokmaster]

Is this a GOOD, BAD OR UGLY IDEA??

Poison gas, firing squads: US approves more execution methods

Outgoing Trump administration paves way for additional methods of executing prisoners sentenced to death.
​

The outgoing regime of Trump is paving the way for additional methods of executing prisoners who have been sentenced to death in the United States.

The Justice Department is quietly amending its execution protocols, no longer requiring federal death sentences to be carried out by lethal injection and clearing the way to use other methods like firing squads and poison gas.

The amended rule, published on Friday in the Federal Register, allows the US government to conduct executions by lethal injection or use “any other manner prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed”.

A number of states allow other methods of execution, including electrocution, inhaling nitrogen gas or death by firing squad.

It remains unclear whether the Justice Department will seek to use any methods other than lethal injection for executions in the future.

The rule – which goes into effect on December 24 – comes as the Justice Department has scheduled five executions during the lame-duck period, including three just days before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

ONLY APPLIES TO FEDERAL DEATH SENTENCES...AND SO???

 

[Bill]

ONLY APPLIES TO FEDERAL DEATH SENTENCES...AND SO???

Sorry crock, but I don't feel like dumming it down for you tonight....

Just stick to your lane bitching & crying victim, something you excel in.....

 

[T. A. Gardner]

On the death penalty, two things:

First, it is an obvious necessity for a society to have. Why? Because there are criminals who are so dangerous that they constitute one to other prisoners and the guards in any prison they are placed. Why should a society subject inmates who are doing their time correctly and the guards that watch them to the dangers of being attacked and injured or killed by a criminal inmate? Life without parole is no deterrent to such a person. Solitary confinement is no guarantee that they cannot carry out such crimes in prison. Thus, the way to deal with such persons is eliminate them entirely from society by death.

The manner of execution so long as it is reasonably humane is almost irrelevant. Why should a person sentenced to death for the most serious crimes our society has be treated gently as if those putting him to death were the guilty party?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I kinda found that surprising......

Why public??

So that it will better serve as a deterrent. Execution shouldn't be hidden away as though we are ashamed of what we're doing. If we're going to use it as a punishment or deterrent, put it out there for all to see.

ETA: Like your sig line!

 

[Bill]

On the death penalty, two things:

First, it is an obvious necessity for a society to have. Why? Because there are criminals who are so dangerous that they constitute one to other prisoners and the guards in any prison they are placed. Why should a society subject inmates who are doing their time correctly and the guards that watch them to the dangers of being attacked and injured or killed by a criminal inmate? Life without parole is no deterrent to such a person. Solitary confinement is no guarantee that they cannot carry out such crimes in prison. Thus, the way to deal with such persons is eliminate them entirely from society by death.

The manner of execution so long as it is reasonably humane is almost irrelevant. Why should a person sentenced to death for the most serious crimes our society has be treated gently as if those putting him to death were the guilty party?

Yes, but there have been many put to death, & then later be found not to have committed the crime, that is my major drawback

 

[Bill]

So that it will better serve as a deterrent. Execution shouldn't be hidden away as though we are ashamed of what we're doing. If we're going to use it as a punishment or deterrent, put it out there for all to see.

ETA: Like your sig line!

I don't think death is much of a deterrent for many of these ppl sitting on death row.....

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, but there have been many put to death, & then later be found not to have committed the crime, that is my major drawback

More like a few of those cases, not "many." That is also becoming less of a problem as modern forensics and the near omnipresence of things like security cameras are making evidence easier to obtain.

 

[Bill]

More like a few of those cases, not "many." That is also becoming less of a problem as modern forensics and the near omnipresence of things like security cameras are making evidence easier to obtain.

Isn't one innocent man sitting on death row to many??

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I wonder what happens if a particular state does not have a death penalty? This will end up in court.

It only applies to Federal executions.
The Federal government has it's own prisons and legal system which is separate from state prisons and legal systems.
States have a mishmash of execution methods authorized by state law in each of those states.