Yes, and some of the leaders of earlier crusades had gray hair as well. Your feeble attempts are feeble.
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Yes, and some of the leaders of earlier crusades had gray hair as well. Your feeble attempts are feeble.
why do you think islam is a religion of peace?
Why did they ban you?
dixon76710
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They are religious extremists period. Islam is a religion of peace as is Chrisitanity.
Nonsense, Polar opposites. Christianity-
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Matthew 22:36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Islam-
Number 25: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Christianity
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Islam-
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...
2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...
[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
dixon76710
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Yes, and some of the leaders of earlier crusades had gray hair as well. Your feeble attempts are feeble.
So skip the analogy and address the content. Our invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Christianity. Even I as an atheist can easily condemn our invasion based upon Christian doctrine. Al Qaedas declaration of war had everything to do with Islam. Motivated by Islamic doctrine, justified with Islamic doctrine. Al Qaeda can easily support the legitimacy of their declaration of war, based upon Islamic doctrine. Islamic doctrine dictates a governing Islamic caliphate applying Islamic doctrine as law. 632-1924 a succession of Islamic Caliphates have governed over the majority of muslims. Its absence since 1924 has been a problem for muslims who follow a strict, literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine and their violent jihad waged to bring about its return is easily justified with Islamic written doctrine in the Koran and Hadiths.
Ibn Khaldoon defined it as: A representation, of the one who has the right to adopt the divine rules, aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia) with it.
Al-Mawardi defined it as: Succession of the Prophethood aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia).
Dixie - In Memoriam
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That's some serious cherrypicking, dixon...
You're free to cherrypick a couple dozen passages showing us where Christianity promotes violence while Islam promotes peace, then you will both be even. What's stopping you?
dixon76710
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That's some serious cherrypicking, dixon...
Yes, cherrypicking those relevant to the topic of discussion. I could track down a hadith that tells muslims which hand to wipe their ass with, but then that wouldnt be relevant to the topic of discussion. Cherry pick some others if you like.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
You're free to cherrypick a couple dozen passages showing us where Christianity promotes violence while Islam promotes peace, then you will both be even. What's stopping you?
It's a lot of effort just to appease an avowed anti-Muslim bigot like you.
And you know how much violence there is in the Bible, "spiritualist."
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It's a lot of effort just to appease an avowed anti-Muslim bigot like you.
And you know how much violence there is in the Bible, "spiritualist."
I know the Old Testament has some harsh and cruel retribution for those who disobeyed God, but after the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus, I think the religious message was that of tolerance and forgiveness. With very few historical exceptions, Christianity has been a benevolent and tolerant religion, for most all of it's existence, spreading humanitarian aid and love to all of mankind. We can't say the same for Islam, who has enjoyed a rich history of death and unspeakable cruelty to mankind. The fact that you would even have the audacity to compare the two, is a testament to just how much of an absolute moron you are.
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Nonsense.
None of this suits your cause without the western (non-islamic) definition of Jihad which you provide above.
Of the four definitions of Jihad, yours is the weakest or lesser Jihad, and in context means defense of one life.
Muslims who define Jihad as violent religious war are extremists. The strongest meaning of Jihad is the struggle against one's self or soul.
This is what onceler meant by cherry picking.
I know the Old Testament has some harsh and cruel retribution for those who disobeyed God, but after the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus, I think the religious message was that of tolerance and forgiveness. With very few historical exceptions, Christianity has been a benevolent and tolerant religion, for most all of it's existence, spreading humanitarian aid and love to all of mankind. We can't say the same for Islam, who has enjoyed a rich history of death and unspeakable cruelty to mankind. The fact that you would even have the audacity to compare the two, is a testament to just how much of an absolute moron you are.
The fact that you make up facts to suit your feelings reduces your credibility.
The fact is that more people have been murdered by christians than any other sect, rendering your entire post incorrect.
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You're free to cherrypick a couple dozen passages showing us where Christianity promotes violence while Islam promotes peace, then you will both be even. What's stopping you?
Neither doctrine promotes violence, retard.
Extremists from either promote violence.
You and the others in this thread promote violence against all muslims, with the justification that YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF THEIR HOLY BOOK COULD ONLY BE THE CORRECT ONE, then site the actions of the smallest minority of muslims, the extremists as proof that ALL muslims are violent and intent on your destruction, and therefore deserve violent death at your hands.
Without doubt this is the same technique christian extremists have used throughout time to justify their murders, and in fact is the very one used by Bush to push this Christian nation into attacking Iraq (twice).
dixon76710
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Nonsense.
None of this suits your cause without the western (non-islamic) definition of Jihad which you provide above.
Of the four definitions of Jihad, yours is the weakest or lesser Jihad, and in context means defense of one life.
Muslims who define Jihad as violent religious war are extremists. The strongest meaning of Jihad is the struggle against one's self or soul.
This is what onceler meant by cherry picking.
Nonsense. Its Muslims who translate the Arabic Hadiths into English.
http://www.sultan.org/books/bukhari/002.htm
Here are the first 26 of 52 verses that contain the word "jihad"
You dont need horses, swords and armour for an inner struggle. Inner struggles dont result in booty if you are successful and death when you are not. YOU distort Islam.
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."
Volume 1, Book 10, Number 505:
I asked the Prophet "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents" I again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."
Volume 2, Book 15, Number 86:
The Prophet said, "No good deeds done on other days are superior to those done on these (first ten days of Dhul Hijja)." Then some companions of the Prophet said, "Not even Jihad?" He replied, "Not even Jihad, except that of a man who does it by putting himself and his property in danger (for Allah's sake) and does not return with any of those things."
Volume 2, Book 24, Number 547:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) ordered (a person) to collect Zakat, and that person returned and told him that Ibn Jamil, Khalid bin Al-Walid, and Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib had refused to give Zakat." The Prophet said, "What made Ibn Jamll refuse to give Zakat though he was a poor man, and was made wealthy by Allah and His Apostle ? But you are unfair in asking Zakat from Khalid as he is keeping his armor for Allah's Cause (for Jihad).
Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."
Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.
Volume 3, Book 31, Number 121:
...So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from the gate of Jihad;
Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles),
Volume 4, Book 51, Number 33:
When 'Umar got a piece of land in Khaibar, he came to the Prophet saying, "I have got a piece of land, better than which I have never got. So what do you advise me regarding it?" The Prophet said, "If you wish you can keep it as an endowment to be used for charitable purposes." So, 'Umar gave the land in charity (i.e. as an endowments on the condition that the land would neither be sold nor given as a present, nor bequeathed, (and its yield) would be used for the poor, the kinsmen, the emancipation of slaves, Jihad, and for guests and travelers; and its administrator could eat in a reasonable just manner, and he also could feed his friends without intending to be wealthy by its means."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 56:
,,,Later on it happened that she went out in the company of her husband 'Ubada bin As-Samit who went for Jihad and it was the first time the Muslims undertook a naval expedition led by Mu awiya.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, "There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." (See Hadith No. 42)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 81:
In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Talha did not fast because of the Jihad, but after the Prophet died I never saw him without fasting except on 'Id-ul-Fitr and 'Id-ul-Aclha.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85:
....He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95)
Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 87:
Allah's Apostle went towards the Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and saw the Emigrants and the Ansar digging in a very cold morning as they did not have slaves to do that for them. When he noticed their fatigue and hunger he said, "O Allah! The real life is that of the Here-after, (so please) forgive the Ansar and the Emigrants." In its reply the Emigrants and the Ansar said, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 88:
The Emigrants and the Ansar started digging the trench around Medina carrying the earth on their backs and saying, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will I carry on Jihad as long as we live."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 104:
The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or booty (in this world."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 112:
The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad)
dixon76710
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Neither doctrine promotes violence, retard.
Extremists from either promote violence.
You and the others in this thread promote violence against all muslims, with the justification that YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF THEIR HOLY BOOK COULD ONLY BE THE CORRECT ONE, then site the actions of the smallest minority of muslims, the extremists as proof that ALL muslims are violent and intent on your destruction, and therefore deserve violent death at your hands.
Without doubt this is the same technique christian extremists have used throughout time to justify their murders, and in fact is the very one used by Bush to push this Christian nation into attacking Iraq (twice).
Nonsense
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...
2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...
[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
Nonsense
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...
2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...
[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
You and I are fighting right now, yet none of us are left bloody or dead.
Again you have proven absolutly nothing, but that like all things, definition is set by interpretation.
dixon76710
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Again, you are translating as seen in your use of parenthesis.
Nooo, its the Muslims who translate the text into English. I didnt use parenthesis. I copied and pasted them. AND the 26 verses from the bukhari hadith demonstrate the accuracy of their translation and use of parenthesis.
dixon76710
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You and I are fighting right now, yet none of us are left bloody or dead.
Again you have proven absolutly nothing, but that like all things, definition is set by interpretation.
Nonsense. We have no use of "armour" or "horses" for our fight. Neither of us will "die" or be rewarded with "booty"
I know the Old Testament has some harsh and cruel retribution for those who disobeyed God, but after the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus, I think the religious message was that of tolerance and forgiveness. With very few historical exceptions, Christianity has been a benevolent and tolerant religion, for most all of it's existence, spreading humanitarian aid and love to all of mankind. We can't say the same for Islam, who has enjoyed a rich history of death and unspeakable cruelty to mankind. The fact that you would even have the audacity to compare the two, is a testament to just how much of an absolute moron you are.
That's how bigots think; what a ridiculous thing to say. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK - the history of Christianity has just as many extremists, just as much terror, and just as much death & violence.
What a fool.
dixon76710
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That's how bigots think; what a ridiculous thing to say. The Crusades, the Inquisition,
Valid criticism of Catholic doctrine that has nothing to do with the written doctrine of the bible.
the KKK - the history of Christianity.
And again, KKK doctrine having nothinfg to do with Christian doctrine.