Explosions Rip Through Catholic Churches: Islamic Radicals Claim Responsibility

Return of Dune said:
Keep spouting your bullshit if it makes you feel better, but more people have been killed by Christians than any other religion, it is just a fact.

Bush II alone was responsible for AT LEAST 104,000 deaths.
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Bush II alone was responsible for AT LEAST 104,000 deaths. ???:palm:

You're not a 'game master'.....you're a 'lame master'.....
 
Return of Dune said:
You are a moron aren't you? BushII was a born again christian. Gulf War II is no different than any of the crusades, christians invading muslim countries and killing muslims. It has been going on for millenia now. Wake the fuck up.
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BushII was a born again christian. ???.......:palm:

I think you have Bush confused with Jimmy Carter.....
 
Disillusioned said:
It's kinda cool that you say that US soldiers dont fight in jesus name, but yet so many units have chaplains in them, not a single imam in the army though.
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Strawman bullshit.

Its not cool....its a fact....US soldiers don't fight in Jesus name.
 
Return of Dune said:
Duh, to start with, how about the KKK, The IRA and Blackwater or what ever that evil prick calls his mercenaries.
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the KKK, IRA and Blackwater ???.....

None of them are "Christian groups" no matter what they they claim or label themselves......
 
Return of Dune said:
Actualy a strict interpretation DOES NOT command those things but rather the opposite.
Why don't you try facts.
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[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
 
Fucking dumb lefties. Their indoctrinated minds can't accept the fact that Islam is the problem. They keep telling us they are progressives, then they spend their time and energy defending a tribal murderous cult from the dark ages.
 
bravo said:
Bush II alone was responsible for AT LEAST 104,000 deaths. ???:palm:

You're not a 'game master'.....you're a 'lame master'.....
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Saddam was responsible for millions of deaths and no reason to think he and his sons would not have continued on that course
 
dixon76710 said:
Saddam was responsible for millions of deaths and no reason to think he and his sons would not have continued on that course
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You have to keep one thing in mind when talking with a lefty. Whatever they say is always agenda driven and for a political purpose. The truth about history is secondary.
 
Onceler said:
It's a perversion of doctrine, it isn't doctrine. Some violence is advocated in the Bible, as well, but the vast majority of text contradicts those passages, so the vast majority of followers understand that Christianity is a non-violent religion. Just as the vast majority of Islam's followers understand the same.
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No, read the quotes provided from the koran. Al Qaeda adheres to a strict literal interpretation of that doctrine. Christianiy simply has no provision for christian government applying christian doctrine as law. Christianity states"My kingdom is not of this world", "render unto Ceasar, that which is ceasars" and "obey all authorities instituted among men"
 
Alias said:
You have to keep one thing in mind when talking with a lefty. Whatever they say is always agenda driven and for a political purpose. The truth about history is secondary.
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Many on the right - yourself included - have completely rewritten the history on the Iraq War.
 
dixon76710 said:
No, read the quotes provided from the koran. Al Qaeda adheres to a strict literal interpretation of that doctrine. Christianiy simply has no provision for christian government applying christian doctrine as law. Christianity states"My kingdom is not of this world", "render unto Ceasar, that which is ceasars" and "obey all authorities instituted among men"
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Kinda like teaching class to children, isn't it.
 
dixon76710 said:
Yes Bush is a Christian. No, our wars are not motivated by religion. Read Bushs speech to the UN and compare it to Bin Ladens Fatwa against the US.
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-09-23/...rror-work-for-peaceful-change-regime?_s=PM:US

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html
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The question is not if Bush was a Christian, but if he was a "born again" Christian, like Jimmy Carter claimed to be.....

And that question CANNOT be answered by anyone but the person in question.....its not something to be 'claimed' by another,s OPINION...

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and none are more valid than other's.
 
dixon76710 said:
No, read the quotes provided from the koran. Al Qaeda adheres to a strict literal interpretation of that doctrine. Christianiy simply has no provision for christian government applying christian doctrine as law. Christianity states"My kingdom is not of this world", "render unto Ceasar, that which is ceasars" and "obey all authorities instituted among men"
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And yet.. we have the pope who most definitely acts and has acted like a secular ruler, read the investiture conflict, constantine's will, the organization of crusades (not only into the ME but also in Europe). Kinda interesting how the christianity with no provision for a government has ended up with the theorcracy which has lasted longest.
 
Disillusioned said:
And yet.. we have the pope who most definitely acts and has acted like a secular ruler, read the investiture conflict, constantine's will, the organization of crusades (not only into the ME but also in Europe). Kinda interesting how the christianity with no provision for a government has ended up with the theorcracy which has lasted longest.
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The Pope doesn't speak for all Christians. I didn't live during the Crusades. Besides, the Crusades were a Christian response to the Islamic murder going on in the ME and Europe, forcing Christians and others to convert or die.

There is no doctrine in Christianity teaching believers to murder nonbelievers if they will not convert. The Koran does.
 
Disillusioned said:
And yet.. we have the pope who most definitely acts and has acted like a secular ruler, read the investiture conflict, constantine's will, the organization of crusades (not only into the ME but also in Europe). Kinda interesting how the christianity with no provision for a government has ended up with the theorcracy which has lasted longest.
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You need to bone up on the Lateran Treaty, Lateran Pacts of 1929 and/or Lateran Accords..

The Vatican didn't exist as it is, before then.... and to compare it to a theocratic nation as we commonly see in the ME is unfair and mis characterization of the City/State
 
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