"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

SmarterthanYou said:
this, in my opinion, is just cultural change. politically motivated of course, but nonetheless, political. Democrats, having portrayed themselves as working for the working class (blue collar/union workers) wanted to collect the majority voters, obviously. Seeing how younger generations were going to college and obtaining those useless degrees, had become ardent liberals, democrats walked away from the working class, with only minor support for unions............they saw where the majority of voters were. Trump and the republicans knew they were never going to get the younger vote because of stubborn arrogance of the youth. It's why Trump lost in 2020.

Identity politics is the rage now and most likely will be that way for another 8 to 10 years............
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I read that 38% of adults 25 years old and above in America have a bachelors degree. That number was 30% ten years ago. Whether that number continues to increase in the future I don't know. On one hand its a necessity for many jobs. On the other hand though prices are only increasing and not everyone wants to take on massive debt. We'll see.
 
BidenPresident said:
They catch up and surpass.
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Some will some won't. My son is a lieutenant in the Fire department he started working two years before his wife started working as a teacher. He earns about double what she makes and she has 80K in student loans. His wife will never top out at his salary.
 
ExpressLane said:
Some will some won't. My son is a lieutenant in the Fire department he started working two years before his wife started working as a teacher. He earns about double what she makes and she has 80K in student loans. His wife will never top out at his salary.
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I did not ask you about people you know. Some day I will explain to you what statistics are.
 
BidenPresident said:
All stats show people with colleges degrees earn more over a lifetime than those without.
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If they go to work that requires a degree.

About a third of all college grads are underemployed – they hold positions that do not generally require the degree (“non-college jobs”). The Fed has tracked these statistics for thirty years. In 1990, the proportion of grads with non-college jobs was 34%. In 2020 during the COVID recession: 33%
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https://www.google.com/search?q=how...me..69i57.45040j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
BidenPresident said:
So?
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I'll explain. 34% pretty much wasted at least 4 years of college when they could have gotten hands on experience. Many of that 34% were on the 7 year plan. And no doubt a sizeable percentage of those incurred student loans. A complete and total waste. Of course us taxpayers are now burdens with those loans.
 
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cawacko said:
I read that 38% of adults 25 years old and above in America have a bachelors degree. That number was 30% ten years ago. Whether that number continues to increase in the future I don't know. On one hand its a necessity for many jobs. On the other hand though prices are only increasing and not everyone wants to take on massive debt. We'll see.
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I'm still left wondering how the fuck a degree is required for many jobs. Back in 2009 I was doing a network engineering job for verizon. As a contractor, I had to be let go after 18 months........because of the hard time filling jobs for my position, my supervisor petitioned HR to create a position in my department for me to fill.............HR came back with a degree as a qualification, so I was not going to be hired. It was bewildering, considering that the other members of my team were members I had trained to do the job.........but all of a sudden I wasn't qualified because I didn't have a degree.....................

the job world is fucked in the head............they don't get it yet and people with college degrees still can't do what I do because they don't have the experience I have.
 
BidenPresident said:
So?
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So some do and some don't. You can't say all elementry education majors make more than Firemen because they don't and a significant number of Elementary education majors quit teaching after 4-5 years.

And yet about 8 percent of teachers leave the profession every year, federal data have long shown. Younger teachers, and those early in their careers, are among the most likely to leave teaching.
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https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/why-teachers-leave-or-dont-a-look-at-the-numbers/2021/05
 
ExpressLane said:
I have a friend that was at a convention in Chicago he had a booth for his company that sold internet backed emg equipment. His company was required to hire a union guy that just sat and watched him set up his booth. Then the union guy made him call a union electrician to simply plug in some of his equipment to the wall socket. Then he made him call another union guy to plug his equipment into an internet socket. And unions wonder why there are states that are right to work and aren't controlled by unions.
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Without question, it can get ridiculous. Especially in the cities.

Any convention is exactly the same as your example above. I knew a guy who got into trouble for plugging his own display into an extension cord. Worse yet, these guys get an attitude and make you wait unless you grease them.

I've been a scab on union jobs several times. After waiting a half an hour for an electrical laborer to move some spools of wire out of my way, I just did it myself. They weren't happy, but that's too fuckin bad.

On the flip side, I had the electrical forman all but kiss me because I called him over to address an issue. There was a box roughed in where I had to put a cabinet. I gave him two options, and he asked if I could do something else for 20 minutes while they moved the box.

He told me that 'anyone else would have just covered it up and said nothing'.

Because it would be two different union crews who really don't give a fuck about anyone else.

I recognize the importance of having unions to protect all workers. It's just that some of these unions are ridiculous.
 
ExpressLane said:
Some will some won't. My son is a lieutenant in the Fire department he started working two years before his wife started working as a teacher. He earns about double what she makes and she has 80K in student loans. His wife will never top out at his salary.
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And that's the issue with this discussion. Everyone cites anecdotes about the fringes, but the reality lies in the middle.

Fact: There are millions of kids with useless degrees who cannot find good jobs. There a millions who have decent jobs but are paying down debt. For some reason, the discussion is about wealth, and not quality of life.

There are a lot of couples who are blessed to earn $150k-$250k/year and live very comfortably.

And they don't have to wallow in the cesspool of lawyers ;)
 
anonymoose said:
I'll explain. 34% pretty much wasted at least 4 years of college when they could have gotten hands on experience. Many of that 34% were on the 7 year plan. And no doubt a sizeable percentage of those incurred student loans. A complete and total waste. Of course now us taxpayers are now burdens with those loans.
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$10,000 worth. Could be worse.

It has been mentioned that there 'are no useless degrees' because of the lessons learned in the college experience.

As if there is no life experience out in the unsheltered real world. Sure...a 4 year party is lots of fun. In the past parents would send their kids off to college, and were happy to pay for it.

That's not a problem if they don't work in the field they majored in. Or if they didn't even need to get a degree for the job they have. The parents believed that it was worth the money to let the kid have a vacation.

Who does that hurt?
 
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Althea said:
$10,000 worth. Could be worse.

It has been mentioned that there 'are no useless degrees' because of the lessons learned in the college experience.

As if their is no life experience out in the unsheltered real world. Sure...a 4 year party is lots of fun. In the past parents would send their kids off to college, and were happy to pay for it.

That's not a problem if they don't work in the field they majored in. Or if they didn't even need to get a degree for the job they have. The parents believed that it was worth the money to let the kid have a vacation.

Who does that hurt?
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Your resentment of college educated people is obvious. Be happy and quit whining.
 
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