"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"
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cawacko
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I get the part about learning skills in a more technology based world (but those skills can also be learned elsewhere). But in reality its a big virtue signal (to employers and others). People interviewing for first jobs often have a huge advantage coming from a big name University. Even today, I'll call fellow USC alums I've never met and introduce myself as a fellow Trojan and they'll take my call. It's that type of network that have parents forking over $80K/year for their kids to go to the top schools. Are all these graduates so much smarter and better than those who didn't go to top schools? Maybe but definitely not necessarily.
cancel2 2022
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When are you going to fuck off like you promised a while ago?
This Liar?
T. A. Gardner
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That's not true. I took a lot of statistics classes, and what I got out of it was how to do sampling and make sure the sample was a valid one. What they failed to teach me, and I had to learn on my own, was how to take those samples and turn them into useful outputs using regression analysis. Regression analysis is where you take your sample data and turn it into an equation that represents that data that can then be used in a program to make useful outputs.
It isn't that the taught the wrong thing per se, but rather they taught me half of what I needed to know, and it was the unimportant half for the most part.
For example, I did a number of time studies on how long it took to manufacture circuit boards--put the components on one. There are only three types of components as far as assembly is concerned for the old through-hole circuit boards. Didn't matter what the component did, it only mattered for the time study how long it took to properly assemble it onto the board. That resulted in three basic components that I called, Axial, Can, and IC chip. I had to do regressions of workers putting these on boards to determine the correct time to do that. None of that was something I learned in college.
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ExpressLane
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Do I need to explain statistics to you?
Do I need to explain to you that drugging patients and raping them is a crime?
ExpressLane
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Stop it! I told you I hate it when I have to agree with you.And that's the issue with this discussion. Everyone cites anecdotes about the fringes, but the reality lies in the middle.
Fact: There are millions of kids with useless degrees who cannot find good jobs. There a millions who have decent jobs but are paying down debt. For some reason, the discussion is about wealth, and not quality of life.
There are a lot of couples who are blessed to earn $150k-$250k/year and live very comfortably.
And they don't have to wallow in the cesspool of lawyers
ExpressLane
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Indeed . It was so disappointing when he stayed.
Althea
Althea told me...
Don't worry asshole. We'll be at each other's throats soon enough.Stop it! I told you I hate it when I have to agree with you.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Don't worry asshole. We'll be at each other's throats soon enough.
nah.
the civil war is fake news.
even tim pool is wrong and an MIC shill on this issue.
nobody wants it. it's dumb. it's a masonic / chinese divide and conquer attempt which is failing.
Well, if you are anything less than intelligent?
You are probably wasting your money going to university.
And getting hokey degrees in silly areas is a waste of money as well.
Unless you know what you want to be AND you HAVE to get a degree to enter that field?
You should not go to university - especially if you have to go into debt to do so.
I did for business (it was paid for)?
And I learned dick all - scholastically.
Learned how to drink though.
You are probably wasting your money going to university.
And getting hokey degrees in silly areas is a waste of money as well.
Unless you know what you want to be AND you HAVE to get a degree to enter that field?
You should not go to university - especially if you have to go into debt to do so.
I did for business (it was paid for)?
And I learned dick all - scholastically.
Learned how to drink though.
I keep coming back to Paul Krugman's joke that conservatives use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost, for support, not illumination. You really do not even know what the point of statistics are. Somewhere in your mind, they have become a game of proving something politically... And then you projected it onto your fantasy classes.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Agreed. But having undergraduate school to enjoy the humanities and then graduate school to prepare for a career
is the ideal situation if one has the good fortune to be able to do it.
I believe that thirty years of work--from ages 25 to 55--is all that anybody should have to endure.
Life before that is for becoming educated. Life after that is for traveling and playing golf.
We're going in the opposite direction, however, and that's why I don't envy future generations at all.
Well of course it will, we know it will because we have the data that proves it.
But again, your earning potential is severely limited by not having a college degree.
It's not a race, it's a marathon.
In a marathon, a college degree will take you much farther, faster than a trade school certificate will. The college graduate will run a steady course over the marathon while the trade schooler is the leader out of the gate, but then runs out of breath about 1/4 of the way through the marathon and is surpassed by the college graduate.
Well, we don't pay them...massive, multinational corporations do; and they're going to always seek out the cheapest labor because that leads to the highest margins.
Folks with degrees in business, advertising, and commercial arts are not unemployable...in fact, those workers are in higher demand.
Ok, but again, if your ambition is more money and more success, you're not going to feel very fulfilled in life working those jobs.
I don't believe we should stop anyone's ambition...if they want to be a college graduate, then they should be a college graduate and no one should stand in their way or tell them what to do.
When it comes down to it, those jobs you're talking about don't pay a lot, don't offer room for growth, and largely rely on luck...like the luck that you are the only electrician in the area, and aren't competing with other electricians with better advantages.
LMAO!
On the line chart in my link, where does the average salary fall?
Is it in the middle or is it skewed more towards the lower end? Because it looks as if the average is not in the middle between the highest and lowest, which means most of the union plumbers in this country make less than the national average.
Althea
Althea told me...
I guess my point is, if it's a marathon then why forgive debt? At some point everything will work out fine.
Is it easier to run a marathon with a 100lb weight around your neck or is it more difficult?