"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

LV426 said:
No, only one side is incorrect because we have mountains of data that show people with college degrees earn substantially more than those without.

Feelings aren't data.

Data is data.

And fortunately, because this is in dollars, we can get accurate data. And that data universally concludes that having a college degree means you will make substantially more than someone who doesn't have one.
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Again, even though you disagree, there are plenty of worthless college degrees. That doesn't mean that all college is a waste of time.

And if mommy and daddy will pay for you to study one of the degrees in the list below, more power to you.

https://www.edsmart.org/most-useless-degrees/
 
Althea said:
But taxes pay to run society. And in this nation, pay for defense. Taxes are a necessary evil.

You can't get into Mar A Lago unless you cough up $200k/year.

Think of America as the best country club in the world.
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taxes pay to feed special interest groups. it's why we run a debt every year. go look at the debt clock, do you see it going down?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It grows and you have dozens of plumbers and even more apprentices working for you. You become a millionaire. That's the ladder you move up on.
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Except that is very rare and depends on a lot of luck, which isn't something you can control.

Half of all businesses fail by year 5, and the loans taken out to get the businesses going are typically discharged in bankruptcy court.

What's far more likely to happen is that plumber starts his own business after years of working for someone else, takes out a loan to get the business going, the business then flounders because it's run by an idiot who has never taken any courses on Business (because you literally said it was a useless major), which then results in the business failing, but then all the debt of that failing business gets discharged in bankruptcy court.

Half of all businesses wouldn't fail by year 5 if the people running them knew what they were doing.
 
LV426 said:
OK, then Paul Krugman, why don't you explain to me the economics of not asking your boss for a raise?

Because all you've done on this thread is say that I don't know anything about economics, yet you haven't said anything that proves you do...even when prompted several times.
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You don't know what money is.
You don't know what price discovery is.
You don't know what a free market is.
You don't know the basic laws of supply and demand.
You think government is economy (redefinition fallacy).

You don't know jack shit about economics.
 
LV426 said:
Nope.

It is undeniable that a college degree means you have higher earning potential than someone who doesn't have one.

As Althea said, for a plumber to be a millionaire, they would need incredible strokes of luck...whereas a lawyer's career trajectory can and does lead to great fortune, and while luck will always play a part, it isn't outsized in relation to the trajectory as it is for non-degree fields.




Right...you know that in almost every case, that requires a loan from a bank to get started?

A loan that often doesn't even get paid back because half of all businesses fail by year 5, and bankruptcy court typically discharges those loans.

But I don't see you getting upset about that....no, you're upset at strangers because they got debt forgiven and you got nothing out of that.

Except that you should be trying to get something out of that by using debt forgiveness as a reason for why you deserve a raise.

That is, if you think you're worth it...which I'm not sure you do. I'm not sure you have a very high opinion of your skills or work. If you did, you'd be clamoring for a raise from your boss. But you're not doing that.
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You truly have no clue about what you say. Nothing. I bet you are an expert on welfare though.
 
LV426 said:
You've been handed your ass because we've broken down your argument to an emotional sense of unfairness, but you're too chickenshit to improve your station in life.

I bet you think your boss is really smart and wise, and that their boot tastes like cake and not a boot.
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Assumption of victory fallacy. Insult fallacies. Omniscience fallacy. Trolling.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Unlike say a lawyer right out of law school, a journeyman plumber is guaranteed a job with a high starting salary
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Right, but then the plumber's wages stall out, whereas the lawyer's continually get higher.

The lifetime earning potential of a plumber is far, far, far lower than that of a lawyer.

So while you may have that advantage out of the gate, it's only going to take you so far.

So it becomes a question of ambition, which you are showing everyone here you lack because you won't ask your boss for a raise since you had no debt to forgive.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
With more experience, and maybe some picked college business courses, the plumber becomes a contractor and grows his company to make millions.
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You're under the mistaken impression that every single plumber and business is successful.

Yet, half of all businesses fail by the 5th year, which doesn't sound like success to me...it means half of all these plumbers you're talking about end up tanking their businesses and having their debts discharged by bankruptcy court.

You can probably count the number of millionaire plumbers on one hand, but you certainly can't count the number of millionaire lawyers on one hand.

Also, the average profit of a small business is not in the millions...it's around $100,000, and that is skewed by Hedge Funds with less than 50 employees.
 
LV426 said:
Right, but then the plumber's wages stall out, whereas the lawyer's continually get higher.

The lifetime earning potential of a plumber is far, far, far lower than that of a lawyer.

So while you may have that advantage out of the gate, it's only going to take you so far.

So it becomes a question of ambition, which you are showing everyone here you lack because you won't ask your boss for a raise since you had no debt to forgive.
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Do you have any idea what a union plumber makes? And the increases they get every year? STFU you idiot.
 
LV426 said:
You can't have a quality of life without a wage.
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Sure you can. It may not be a great quality of life, but some people like being on welfare, including you.
LV426 said:
That's what this is all about...wages...and whether or not you have higher potential wages with a college degree than without.

We both know that you do, so....
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Nope. College is no guarantee of higher wages.

You're an ingrate. You don't appreciate the plumbers, the welders, the farmers, the ranchers, the truck drivers, the sewer plant operators, the quarry and batch plant operators, car mechanics, painters, electricians, or any number of high paying jobs that don't require a degree beyond high school. Those folks make your city life possible, girlie.
 
LV426 said:
Well gee, who are the people who have been saying that public colleges and universities should be tuition free? Me.

And who are the people who have been saying that they shouldn't be? You.

So if you want to control costs for college, then the only logical solution is to make public schools free. That will solve your problem.

So do you support free public schools? If so, great. If not, then you are standing in the way of solving the thing you are complaining about.
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Whereas there is no such thing as free, I was calling for a small fee on every one of the billions of Wall St. overnight transactions that take place every day...long before Bernie thought of it.

A $.10-$.25 fee on every transaction would fund almost any program we need in this nation. Including college or healthcare.
 
LV426 said:
Dude, you're the one who told me what it is you did while in the Marines...I didn't make any of it up. I only repeat the things that you've said to me.

You have this habit of thinking you're smarter than anyone else, but you don't have to prove it.
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You are making it up right now. Word stuffing.
 
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