"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

[Althea]

Not on wages, which is really the only thing that matters.

Everything else aside, I think you might want to rethink this.

Quality of life is much more important than wealth. Especially since you only need so much to live a good life. (granted...you'd have a hard time convincing a struggling family)

I have plenty of extremely wealthy clients who envy my lifestyle.

Including the lawyers in the family who were quite a bit older than I am

 

[LV426]

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tell me you know jack shit about economics without telling me you know jack shit about economics

You're a bootlicker who doesn't want to ask his boss for a raise.

Class traitor.

Scab.

Rat.

 

[Althea]

But everyone does participate in the consumer economy, which is only helped by debt forgiveness.

I would choose middle class debt forgiveness LONG before I chose tax cuts for billionaires.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I mean, you sat in an air conditioned room all day, staring at a screen, having never fired your weapon ONCE in combat in what, 15 years?

You realize 40,000 people do that job every day in this country for no accolades, no accommodation, and no entitlement.

So what makes YOU special and them not? Nothing as far as I can tell.

yet again, you show that you know nothing about how the military works. you sure do like to assume that you do, though.

Most people do...I'm talking about an actual raise, not a 3-5% annual cost of living increase.

again, you're making stupid assumptions based on shit you've been led to believe your entire sheltered and privileged life. not a good look for you.

But you don't think you're worth more?

Why do you have such a low opinion of yourself?

you don't even know what my salary is, yet you think it's not enough. you're making quite the effort to look stupid today.

 

[LV426]

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tell me you know jack shit about economics without telling me you know jack shit about economics

OK, then Paul Krugman, why don't you explain to me the economics of not asking your boss for a raise?

Because all you've done on this thread is say that I don't know anything about economics, yet you haven't said anything that proves you do...even when prompted several times.

 

[Theywillneverlearn!]

yet again, you show that you know nothing about how the military works. you sure do like to assume that you do, though.


again, you're making stupid assumptions based on shit you've been led to believe your entire sheltered and privileged life. not a good look for you.


you don't even know what my salary is, yet you think it's not enough. you're making quite the effort to look stupid today.

That requires no effort at all from him.

 

[Althea]

I hate it when I agree with you.

Again...NOBODY disagrees/agrees about everything.

 

[LV426]

yep, when you've had your ass handed to you, like I did to you, resort to idiot ad homs

You've been handed your ass because we've broken down your argument to an emotional sense of unfairness, but you're too chickenshit to improve your station in life.

I bet you think your boss is really smart and wise, and that their boot tastes like cake and not a boot.

 

[Althea]

The country has been in debt since that time so the books have never been wiped clean.

Since the end of our fight for freedom from England.

Whiskey Rebellion is the most common proof of that.

 

[LV426]

Everything else aside, I think you might want to rethink this.

Quality of life is much more important than wealth. Especially since you only need so much to live a good life. (granted...you'd have a hard time convincing a struggling family)

I have plenty of extremely wealthy clients who envy my lifestyle.

Including the lawyers in the family who were quite a bit older than I am

You can't have a quality of life without a wage.

That's what this is all about...wages...and whether or not you have higher potential wages with a college degree than without.

We both know that you do, so....

 

[LV426]

I would choose middle class debt forgiveness LONG before I chose tax cuts for billionaires.

Middle class debt forgiveness makes all the economic sense in the world...that is, if your goal is to grow your economy.

 

[LV426]

yet again, you show that you know nothing about how the military works. you sure do like to assume that you do, though.

Dude, you're the one who told me what it is you did while in the Marines...I didn't make any of it up. I only repeat the things that you've said to me.

You have this habit of thinking you're smarter than anyone else, but you don't have to prove it.

 

[LV426]

again, you're making stupid assumptions based on shit you've been led to believe your entire sheltered and privileged life. not a good look for you.

OK, so you have never asked for a raise, but you're upset that strangers are having their debt forgiven?

You're mad about the wrong thing.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not on wages, which is really the only thing that matters.

I'm sure you can live a nice, modest life as a plumber; but if you have ambition and drive, that's not the area you'll want to build a career because there's isn't really any room for growth. Like, there's working for someone and owning your own business...that's it. There's no ladder to go up, no leadership position to aim for...and again, that's perfectly OK.

But if you have ambition, it's probably not OK.

OK, but that's luck, and that's not in anyone's control.

You might have a massive head start out of the gate because you don't need to pay your dues like you have to in other areas, but your growth (personal, economic, fiscal) will stall out far sooner than the college graduate's.

Well, only if things break for them that way, which it is almost assured that they won't because it's completely out of their control, whereas the lawyer does have significant control and far more opportunities and options to control their career trajectory.

With a plumber, it's work for someone else or work for yourself...there's no ladder to move up there, so there's less ambition...and that is perfectly OK for people with low ambition.

It's not a mindset that I have or would encourage, but it's certainly an option.

This is completely short sighted. You are a plumber and have ambition. You become a plumbing contractor and open a business. It grows and you have dozens of plumbers and even more apprentices working for you. You become a millionaire. That's the ladder you move up on.

Unlike say a lawyer right out of law school, a journeyman plumber is guaranteed a job with a high starting salary. The plumber also has no massive student debt to pay off. With more experience, and maybe some picked college business courses, the plumber becomes a contractor and grows his company to make millions.
Meanwhile, the lawyer, being a nobody from a nothing special law school ends up a public defender or maybe a small-time lawyer doing stuff like injury and small claims cases and the like making an okay living.

There's plenty of room to move up in the skilled trades if you have ambition and are reasonably intelligent.

 

[LV426]

you don't even know what my salary is, yet you think it's not enough. you're making quite the effort to look stupid today.

I don't know what your salary is, but I do know that you don't think you're worth more than it.

And I think that is really, really sad.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Dude, you're the one who told me what it is you did while in the Marines...I didn't make any of it up. I only repeat the things that you've said to me.

You have this habit of thinking you're smarter than anyone else, but you don't have to prove it.

If you were repeating the things I've said to you, then you wouldn't be saying that I sat in an air conditioned room all day. you know this to be true, so you're making shit up about it to avoid it.

 

[Althea]

not quite the same............A tax cut allows me to keep more of my money in my pocket at no expense to anyone else. loan forgiveness from the government makes everyone else pay for it.

But taxes pay to run society. And in this nation, pay for defense. Taxes are a necessary evil.

You can't get into Mar A Lago unless you cough up $200k/year.

Think of America as the best country club in the world.

 

[LV426]

This is completely short sighted.

Nope.

It is undeniable that a college degree means you have higher earning potential than someone who doesn't have one.

As Althea said, for a plumber to be a millionaire, they would need incredible strokes of luck...whereas a lawyer's career trajectory can and does lead to great fortune, and while luck will always play a part, it isn't outsized in relation to the trajectory as it is for non-degree fields.

You become a plumbing contractor and open a business.

Right...you know that in almost every case, that requires a loan from a bank to get started?

A loan that often doesn't even get paid back because half of all businesses fail by year 5, and bankruptcy court typically discharges those loans.

But I don't see you getting upset about that....no, you're upset at strangers because they got debt forgiven and you got nothing out of that.

Except that you should be trying to get something out of that by using debt forgiveness as a reason for why you deserve a raise.

That is, if you think you're worth it...which I'm not sure you do. I'm not sure you have a very high opinion of your skills or work. If you did, you'd be clamoring for a raise from your boss. But you're not doing that.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

OK, so you have never asked for a raise, but you're upset that strangers are having their debt forgiven?

You're mad about the wrong thing.

not at all. I'm mad about the exact thing everyone should be mad at. When the ACA passed, you morons were thrilled about making everyone pay for the uninsured.............this is what separates the logical from the illogical. I don't go around expecting others to pay for my debt, whether it's health care or debt i've incurred. Those were my choices and when I incurred debt, I RESPONSIBLY paid for it. Nobody else paid for it. With this loan forgiveness, you're only encouraging MORE debt incursion and bad choices............that is what YOU should be mad at, but like most on the left, you abhor personal responsibility

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I don't know what your salary is, but I do know that you don't think you're worth more than it.

And I think that is really, really sad.

more idiot assumptions on your part.............