"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

[LV426]

How well would you like it if GM did not pay back the money that the government loaned them a few years back?

No one would have cared.

 

[LV426]

Hahaha. It's amazing how polarizing this is. I'm speaking as one who is very pro college but I recognize that each person has their own individual path they can pursue and that it doesn't have to include college.

On the whole those with college degrees do earn more than those without. It's a big reason people should go to college. But at the same time when you look deeper into the numbers and include student debt, the delta often isn't that big.

Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen a single person address that the debt relief does nothing to address the cost of college. In fact, it will likely only increase future costs. It's politically popular with a certain segment of voters, that's it.

Well gee, who are the people who have been saying that public colleges and universities should be tuition free? Me.

And who are the people who have been saying that they shouldn't be? You.

So if you want to control costs for college, then the only logical solution is to make public schools free. That will solve your problem.

So do you support free public schools? If so, great. If not, then you are standing in the way of solving the thing you are complaining about.

 

[LV426]

I'm a better writer than you, hands down.

Your estimation of your own skills is wildly inflated.

I guess it's a good thing that you managed to spell everything accurately for once.

 

[LV426]

The country has been in debt since that time so the books have never been wiped clean.

Right, but government debt is not like individual debt, in that there is no due date for when that debt has to be paid off.

That's why all your economic policies always fail, because you try to run the nation's economy like your own shitty household budget.

 

[LV426]

Different scenario. There is equity to acquire if a person defaults on a mortgage.

There is no other option that forgiveness of student debt, as there is nothing there to repo.

Exactly, which is why forgiving the debt is the only option that makes any sense because paying student loans does nothing for the economy.

No job will ever be created by someone paying $500 a month in student loans, but plenty of jobs will be created by someone paying $500 a month for products, goods, and/or services.

 

[LV426]

A lawyer might hope to be a millionaire.

Hedge fund managers are multi multi millionaires, or billionaires.

That's why using averages isn't always useful. It seems my list of billionaires that don't have degrees got omitted from this discussion.

OK, but how likely is it that a plumber will be a millionaire? Highly unlikely.

Study after study keeps telling us the same thing: college is good if you want a career, want a chance at higher lifetime earnings, want to be able to move up the ladder, basically if you have ambition.

If you don't have ambition, then college probably isn't for you.

But let's make one thing perfectly clear, you will make more money as a college graduate than if you weren't.

 

[Cypress]

Haven't finished the thread yet, but thus far my list of billionaires without a degree has been ignored.

I don't think Bill Gates or Steve Jobs finished college.

Obviously, that is not something your average person can aspire to or have a realistic chance of achieving.

I don't think very many physicists, historians, mathmeticians, astronomers, sociologists choose their majors with plans of becoming billionaires. I think the choice 99.9 percent of us face is to find something we like doing and will pay us a comfortable salary.

 

[LV426]

not quite the same............A tax cut allows me to keep more of my money in my pocket at no expense to anyone else.

Student loan forgives allows the borrow to keep more of their money in their pocket at no expense to anyone else because the loan has already been issued and forgiven.

loan forgiveness from the government makes everyone else pay for it.

Completely fucking wrong because the money has already been spent, so you can't spend any more money by forgiving the debt.

Forgiving the debt literally removes it from the national debt, lowering it by $400B.

 

[LV426]

all I'm seeing from you here is that YOU are the one that led a sheltered and privileged life.

You're the one complaining about people getting the same accommodations you've been getting this whole time, including government employment, education, and training.

Not being taught to own up to your own debts

but instead being taught that there will always be someone around to take those on for you, leaving you to continue to make bad decisions in borrowing money that you can't, or won't, pay back.

So this is the culmination of your unfairness, emotional argument...resentment towards strangers to mask your cowardice for asking to get what you're owed.

 

[LV426]

If you're mad that 50M people got student debt relief, but you're not mad at your boss for not giving you a raise, then you're doing life wrong.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You're the one complaining about people getting the same accommodations you've been getting this whole time, including government employment, education, and training.

your continued argument of portraying the government employment, education, and training as something that I was given is bullshit. we already know that you have no knowledge about how the military actually works.

As to your other moronic sentence.........I asked for a salary and got what I wanted, not what I was owed. Nobody is OWED anything until they do the actual work. this is the difference between lazy freeloading leftist college grads and hard working responsible Americans.

 

[LV426]

your continued argument of portraying the government employment, education, and training as something that I was given is bullshit. we already know that you have no knowledge about how the military actually works.

Well regardless of "how the military works", you still had a government job with government housing, government meals, even government clothes.

How much did you pay for all of that? Nothing. You paid NOTHING.

But taxpayers? We paid for all of it, and we aren't asking for any of it back because that wouldn't be fair.

So if you're gonna whine about unfairness, be sure to whine to your boss who hasn't given you a raise in forever, because your sense of unfairness has to do with someone else's paycheck...which is a pretty stupid thing to feel unfair about, particularly when you are in control of asking for a higher wage for yourself.

So what is stopping you from marching into your boss' office and demanding a raise since all your coworkers had their debt forgiven?

 

[ExpressLane]

not quite the same............A tax cut allows me to keep more of my money in my pocket at no expense to anyone else. loan forgiveness from the government makes everyone else pay for it.

But that money you earned belongs to the government not you. Or that is what the Liberals believe at least.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well regardless of "how the military works", you still had a government job with government housing, government meals, even government clothes.

How much did you pay for all of that? Nothing. You paid NOTHING.

But taxpayers? We paid for all of it, and we aren't asking for any of it back because that wouldn't be fair.

do you think we all just sat back on our asses and played chess and spades our entire enlistment? stop talking about shit you know nothing about. it makes you look even stupider than you are.

So if you're gonna whine about unfairness, be sure to whine to your boss who hasn't given you a raise in forever, because your sense of unfairness has to do with someone else's paycheck...which is a pretty stupid thing to feel unfair about, particularly when you are in control of asking for a higher wage.

I get a raise every year on my start date anniversary, PLUS, I get a bonus based upon how much extra work I accomplish above what I agreed to do. You got anything else stupid you want to try and believe in?

 

[LV426]

I asked for a salary and got what I wanted, not what I was owed

Do you feel like you're owed more, or are you complacent? It would seem that you think you're owed more since you're screaming about how unfair it is that your coworkers had their debt forgiven, but you had no debt to forgive.

So since you had no debt to forgive, why not ask your boss for a raise?

Nobody is OWED anything until they do the actual work.

OK, you've done the work and you don't think you're owed any more for the work you've done? How come? Are you afraid of making your boss angry or something?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

But that money you earned belongs to the government not you. Or that is what the Liberals believe at least.

well, it does say property of the US treasury, but this is why we shouldn't let stupid leftists define things...........they don't believe in freedom, just servitude disguised as liberty..........orwell would be proud

 

[LV426]

this is the difference between lazy freeloading leftist college grads and hard working responsible Americans.

I mean, you sound like the lazy person for getting the salary you asked for, but not asking for more.

I bet your boss LOVES the fact that you aren't asking for more money and threatening to hit the job market to get a higher wage.

I guess being a bootlicking class traitor suits you...getting mad at an anonymous person for having their debt forgiven, but licking your boss' boot instead of threatening them with leaving in order to get a higher wage than the one you have now.

It's totally fascist.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Do you feel like you're owed more, or are you complacent? It would seem that you think you're owed more since you're screaming about how unfair it is that your coworkers had their debt forgiven, but you had no debt to forgive.

So since you had no debt to forgive, why not ask your boss for a raise?

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tell me you know jack shit about economics without telling me you know jack shit about economics

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I mean, you sound like the lazy person for getting the salary you asked for, but not asking for more.

I bet your boss LOVES the fact that you aren't asking for more money and threatening to hit the job market to get a higher wage.

I guess being a bootlicking class traitor suits you, which is why you are hesitant to take any steps to improve your station.

yep, when you've had your ass handed to you, like I did to you, resort to idiot ad homs

 

[LV426]

do you think we all just sat back on our asses and played chess and spades our entire enlistment?

I mean, you sat in an air conditioned room all day, staring at a screen, having never fired your weapon ONCE in combat in what, 15 years?

You realize 40,000 people do that job every day in this country for no accolades, no accommodation, and no entitlement.

So what makes YOU special and them not? Nothing as far as I can tell.

I get a raise every year on my start date anniversary

Most people do...I'm talking about an actual raise, not a 3-5% annual cost of living increase.

I get a bonus based upon how much extra work I accomplish above what I agreed to do.

But you don't think you're worth more?

Why do you have such a low opinion of yourself?

You got anything else stupid you want to try and believe in?

What I hear from you is that you're too afraid to confront your boss about a raise given all your coworkers having their debt forgiven, so you're justifying the wage they're paying you to avoid the confrontation.

But then, maybe you truly don't have a very high opinion of your skills, so you don't think you're worth any more.

If that's the case, then I think that is incredibly sad and pathetic.