Donetsk and Luhansk are now recognized independent states.

moon said:
No- they're a good mix. Unfortunately, most US media operates behind paywalls- ( news for the wealthy only ) and just about all of the rest of the world's press is up and running before America wakes up in the mornings. Still, don't let any facts come between you and your myopic bigotry, Comrade.



Haw, haw.........................................haw.
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the only "fact" I can't get behind is the one that makes "Russian Times" an unbigoted source regarding Putin's actions........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you've already admitted that recognition is required.......Russia is the only one that has recognized them.......therefore, Russia is the only one who has created them.......
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Awful logic there, pal. You sound like the Desperate Dan of Mensa.



Haw, haw...........................................haw.
 
moon said:
Donetsk and Luhansk

According to the self-determination and democratic wishes of their POPULATIONS, Donetsk and Luhansk are now recognized independent states.

They've been self-recognized for some years , of course.

How does the self-determination of these states affect us ? It doesn't. Not at all. Anybody telling us that it does is lying. Besides, we actively oppose self-determination in the Middle East and thousands of us have died opposing it. We actually pay many states to suppress self-determination in their populations and we scorn international law in order to support the fascists' occupation of Palestine. We are, in fact, super-hypocrites .

Let's remember that the legitimate government of Ukraine was overthrown by means of a pro-NATO coup in which many Ukranians died. Donetsk and Luhansk are the strongholds of those Ukranians who opposed the coup. As such they are the defenders of Ukranian democracy, not the puppet government that went to the polls without them.

So let's wish them good fortune in their new-found independence and urge the anti-Russian Ukranians to leave them in peace, accept that their pro-NATO ambitions have split and diminished their real-estate- as was repeatedly predicted- and not let their infidelity drag us into any violent conflict.

Biden has succeeded in having Nord Stream 2 terminated- for now. Leave it at that.
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So is Israel ... but not Palestine
 
moon said:
As far as I know it's public-funded and the government holds the purse-strings. How does that rate on your bigotry scale ?
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Pretty highly, but not because the government runs it. Same goes for PBS in the US.

Haw.... haw......haw.
 
moon said:
Is that relevant ? A poisoned peanut ? Haw, haw......................................haw.
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Is this where you'll tell me the pope shares the delusion?

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Haw......haw............haw.
 
moon said:
They created themselves. They like Russia.
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Why are there so many Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine?

There were Russian speakers there already, of course, but they got a big boost in the 1930s. Around 5 million ethnic Ukrainians starved to death in the Holodomor (Terror Famine) of 1932-33. This was caused, at least in part, by Kremlin policies such as forcible requisitioning of food; whether genocide was the main purpose of these policies is still a matter of debate.

In any event, millions of Russian speakers were brought in afterwards to resettle the depopulated areas.

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Starved peasants on a street in Kharkiv, 1933.
 
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