Does trump have a viable defense?

BidenPresident said:
Trump had no right to possess top secret documents after he left the office of President.
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An utterly false statement.

This was written Obama era - so it hasn't be altered yet.


{[FONT=&quot]Before the last staffers leave, the crew of [/FONT]the U.S. National Records and Archives Administration[FONT=&quot] (NARA) will take one final trip through the White House to gather whatever documents and gifts from foreign leaders have been left behind. At noon, hundreds of thousands of historical records and artifacts from the Obama White House will become the legal custody of NARA.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Preparation for this moment began when Obama first took office, explains Miriam Kleiman, program director for public affairs at NARA. Since then, archivists have gathered artifacts of historic importance, including hundreds of millions of textual, electronic, and audiovisual records, and tens of thousands of presidential gifts. Now they’re packing the final boxes, which will be moved to a temporary facility near the future site of President Obama’s library in Chicago.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NARA has been involved with moving presidential artifacts of record since 1939, when Franklin Delano Roosevelt gifted Congress his presidential papers and historical material to open his presidential library in New York. In 1955, Congress passed the Presidential Libraries Act, which officially established a system of privately created and federally maintained libraries. But the original act had a flaw—it didn’t require that a president had to donate official papers to the Archives. That meant that there was nothing stopping a former president from deciding not to give up certain papers. That issue came to a head in 1974, when Richard Nixon resisted handing over some 3,700 hours of tape}
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...nd-artifacts-once-he-leaves-office-180961871/

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Uncensored2008 said:
An utterly false statement.

This was written Obama era - so it hasn't be altered yet.


{[FONT="]Before the last staffers leave, the crew of [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://www.archives.gov/"]the U.S. National Records and Archives Administration[/URL][FONT="] (NARA) will take one final trip through the White House to gather whatever documents and gifts from foreign leaders have been left behind. At noon, hundreds of thousands of historical records and artifacts from the Obama White House will become the legal custody of NARA.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]Preparation for this moment began when Obama first took office, explains Miriam Kleiman, program director for public affairs at NARA. Since then, archivists have gathered artifacts of historic importance, including hundreds of millions of textual, electronic, and audiovisual records, and tens of thousands of presidential gifts. Now they’re packing the final boxes, which will be moved to a temporary facility near the future site of President Obama’s library in Chicago.[/FONT]
[FONT="]NARA has been involved with moving presidential artifacts of record since 1939, when Franklin Delano Roosevelt gifted Congress his presidential papers and historical material to open his presidential library in New York. In 1955, Congress passed the [URL="https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1955-act.html"]Presidential Libraries Act[/URL], which officially established a system of privately created and federally maintained libraries. But the original act had a flaw—it didn’t require that a president had to donate official papers to the Archives. That meant that there was nothing stopping a former president from deciding not to give up certain papers. That issue came to a head in 1974, when Richard Nixon resisted handing over some 3,700 hours of tape}
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...nd-artifacts-once-he-leaves-office-180961871/

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I cited the indictment from the Special Counsel. And law tells us the US President has no authority of the office after he leaves.
 
Yakuda said:
So once again youre telling me if they found classified documents in one of trumps old office closets or the garage at his home you would tell me, "Simple existence of documents in a location does not show that anyone knows they are in that location or than anyone knows they are classified or who put them there."

Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you are?
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I would expect an investigation would be done, kinda like they’re doing in the Biden case, and they did in the Pence case. If that investigation showed evidence as to how those documents got there, or that someone specific knew they were there and knew they were classified, and did not turn them in, then I would expect charges to be filed.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Trump wasn't indicted for sharing classified information but the indictment does state he did share that information.

Edited to add US 18 793(e) which Trump was charged with 31 counts on.
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Glad to see someone finally make this point, in fact, it doesn’t matter if the documents were classified or not
 
Yakuda said:
So once again youre telling me if they found classified documents in one of trumps old office closets or the garage at his home you would tell me, "Simple existence of documents in a location does not show that anyone knows they are in that location or than anyone knows they are classified or who put them there."

Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you are?
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Read the law.
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
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That seems to what you can't do. It is why Hillary wasn't charged and why Trump shouldn't have been charged if he had turned the documents over when asked to do so.
 
Jarod said:
I would expect an investigation would be done, kinda like they’re doing in the Biden case, and they did in the Pence case. If that investigation showed evidence as to how those documents got there, or that someone specific knew they were there and knew they were classified, and did not turn them in, then I would expect charges to be filed.
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Fucking bullshit.
 
Yakuda said:
Fucking bullshit.
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Brilliant argument.

No, I played your game a little while, so I wish you would answer my questions.

It appears you agree that Trump is charged with very serious crimes. If they prove the allegations, do you think he has a defense?
 
Jarod said:
Brilliant argument.

No, I played your game a little while, so I wish you would answer my questions.

It appears you agree that Trump is charged with very serious crimes. If they prove the allegations, do you think he has a defense?
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The only appropriate response to bullshit is to call it what it is. As to your question yes there is ALWAYS a defense. The problem is you don't like it. That's not the same as there is no defense. It's just like evidence that trump raped the gold digging whore like you told me. Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you are?
 
Yakuda said:
The only appropriate response to bullshit is to call it what it is. As to your question yes there is ALWAYS a defense. The problem is you don't like it. That's not the same as there is no defense. It's just like evidence that trump raped the gold digging whore like you told me. Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you are?
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What is the defense?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The US only has one CiC at a time. Former CiC's are no longer the CiC. Former CiC's have no right to retain classified documents in their home unless authorized to do so by the current CiC.
Idiots seem to be where you live.
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As I asked your fellow Nazi - are you suggesting that Trump went back after leaving office and took documents?

The National Archives has worked with every president prior to Trump on handling documents - and we circle right back to the 14th - Trump is subject to "laws" no other president has ever been subjected to.

The lust of the Nazi democrat Reich to "Get Trump" has forever ended the concept of law in America. No one can pretend that written law matters - "law" depends on what party one is in, or what group you fall into.
 
Yakuda said:
I have no idea which is not the same as saying there isn't one. I'm not a lawyer, thank God!!!!!!!!!
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Haha ok, you are just sure there is one. I understand.

Is this something Trump should be prosecuted for?
 
Jarod said:
Haha ok, you are just sure there is one. I understand.

Is this something Trump should be prosecuted for?
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Do you imagine people seek me out to give them defenses for their court cases? Are you a fucking dunce?

Not my issue. My issue is why you deny crimes by democrats. We know why. Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you are?
 
Jarod said:
OK, well if there is evidence to suggest he knew those documents were there and that they were classified for those years and he did not call the FBI or the justice department to return them, then I think when he’s done being president, if the statute of limitations is not over, he should be prosecuted. Even if that is the case, I still maintain that it’s nothing compared to what the evidence, says Trump did.
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Are you trying to claim mice dragged the top secret documents Quid Pro sold to Ukraine and China into his garage and over to Penn State?

You will say literally anything to promote your Reich or attack the enemies of the Reich.

Of all the Marxist/fascists on this site, I have yet to find even one with so much as a hint of integrity.

Is it possible to be a democrat and have integrity?

Obviously not.
 
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