Disillusioned With Dems and GOP, Independents Now Largest Voter Group in the US

ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm not registered with either party and never will be. Yet I definitely lean left on most issues.
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Here's the problem with that, Owl.
The only way to get what you want is to influence one of the only two parties that have any chance in hell of accomplishing anything.
That, in turn, can only be done from within the party.

Do you think that I love the current Democratic Party? Joey Biden is Ronald Reagan compared to me.
If I don't support the Democratic Party, financial contributions included, however,
I'm helping the Republican Party, "people" to whom I absolutely refuse to attribute human status.
I'll brake for a chipmunk running across the street, but I'll make an effort to hit a Republican if I think I can get away with it.
It's absolutely impossible for me to have a Republican close friend or to not completely and permanently disown a Republican family member.

I think that your reluctance to commit to a party is the residual effect of a mid-western "rugged independent" upbringing that I'm probably not quite able to understand.
As a union person and a Sicilian, taking sides and offering/demanding loyalty is in my DNA.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Here's the problem with that, Owl.
The only way to get what you want is to influence one of the only two parties that have any chance in hell of accomplishing anything.
That, in turn, can only be done from within the party.

Do you think that I love the current Democratic Party? Joey Biden is Ronald Reagan compared to me.
If I don't support the Democratic Party, financial contributions included, however,
I'm helping the Republican Party, "people" to whom I absolutely refuse to attribute human status.
I'll brake for a chipmunk running across the street, but I'll make an effort to hit a Republican if I think I can get away with it.
It's absolutely impossible for me to have a Republican close friend or to not completely and permanently disown a Republican family member.

I think that your reluctance to commit to a party is the residual effect of a mid-western "rugged independent" upbringing that I'm probably not quite able to understand.
As a union person and a Sicilian, taking sides and offering/demanding loyalty is in my DNA.
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People who call themselves "Independent" are too cowardly to let others know their political views.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
I can't vote in Dem or Rep primaries and I have no problem with that. I used to be a registered Republican for 40 years but they've become way too extreme and radical for me.
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Dude

I love you but the republicans leadership have always been massive liars and scum since the last good Republican Ike

I know it’s hard to lose the hate of Dems they plied you with for decades


Those lies were never true

We get the dark money out of the game


Make sure they can’t cheat voters out of their rights and you watch this nation soar


DEMOCRACY WORKS


The Democratic Party is the one fighting this fight


We are the real deal


You either believe in Democracy or you don’t


Believe in WHAT THE PEOPLE DECIDE


Even if it’s not what You personally voted for


Believe in the wisdom of the people


My Democratic Party believes
 
Matt Dillon said:
This is Dems trying to think that 3/4 of the country has not gone GOP.


Democrats drove the people to it. Americans want to get as far away from the Democrat/Social Marxist party as possible.
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I recall Ronald Reagan talking about how the democrats went off to the left leaving him behind.
they never stopped moving left, just picked up the pace.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Here's the problem with that, Owl.
The only way to get what you want is to influence one of the only two parties that have any chance in hell of accomplishing anything.
That, in turn, can only be done from within the party.

Do you think that I love the current Democratic Party? Joey Biden is Ronald Reagan compared to me.
If I don't support the Democratic Party, financial contributions included, however,
I'm helping the Republican Party, "people" to whom I absolutely refuse to attribute human status.
I'll brake for a chipmunk running across the street, but I'll make an effort to hit a Republican if I think I can get away with it.
It's absolutely impossible for me to have a Republican close friend or to not completely and permanently disown a Republican family member.

I think that your reluctance to commit to a party is the residual effect of a mid-western "rugged independent" upbringing that I'm probably not quite able to understand.
As a union person and a Sicilian, taking sides and offering/demanding loyalty is in my DNA.
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I don't know about that rugged individualist stuff, which is anathema to a civilized society. I support candidates whose values align with mine both via donations and at the ballot box. I do not want a smug incumbent who looks at the voter rolls and thinks "I have more (D)s than (R)s in my district; I don't have to appeal to anyone to keep my job." I want them to be hungry. I want them to take stands on issues and appeal to the electorate, not sit pat on their fat rumps. If the candidate I'm offered sucks, I'll either vote for someone else, or leave the check box blank. I will vote (and have) for an (R) candidate if IMO he/she is the better person for the job. My duty as a citizen is to study the issues and candidates and choose wisely. It is not to be a lock-step partisan.
 
evince said:
I bet you vote nearly exactly like me most of the time


I’ve been a Democratic Party member since my first vote
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It's likely that we vote the same most of the time. I did not vote for Clinton the 2nd time though due to his blowjob shit in our White House. I never fell for all the QOP lies about either Clinton, but that was beyond the pale. That year I voted for the (L) candidate, knowing that he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
 
cawacko said:
What's funny about those who complain about independents is thinking that because you are registered as a Dem or Rep that somehow that makes you more principled. Just because you are ride or die for your party doesn't make it so.
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Voting allows us to change the party in power but they don't have the power to change policy. The pentagon and defense contractors decide policy but we don't get to vote for them.
 
goat said:
Voting allows us to change the party in power but they don't have the power to change policy. The pentagon and defense contractors decide policy but we don't get to vote for them.
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That’s your party


My party always changes with the voting base


That’s just FACT
 
cawacko said:
Ok, I’m familiar with open primary. The way you phrased it made it sound like you could vote in both as opposed to picking one of the other. Your link is good because I’ve heard those arguments pro and con for an open primary.
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I'm no fan of the Open Primaries. I think they are harmful and a way for political parties to have their cake and eat it too.

It is just a way to smear good opposition candidates chances of winning primaries sometimes. Yes, and I'm sure some bad ones.

But who wants to go to all the trouble to stand in line twice just to be politically vindictive and hateful- I'm guessing extremists, the lunatic fringe. and TRUMPTARDS- which are basically all the same things!!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
I'm no fan of the Open Primaries. I think they are harmful and a way for political parties to have their cake and eat it too.

It is just a way to smear good candidates chances of winning primaries sometimes. Yes, and I'm sure some bad ones.

But who wants to go to all the trouble to stand in line twice just to be politically vindictive and hateful- I'm guessing TRUMPTARDS!
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I’m not following your stand in line twice. You can only vote once in an open primary. You have your choice of which party ballot to choose but you can’t say “give me both”.
 
cawacko said:
I’m not following your stand in line twice. You can only vote once in an open primary. You have your choice of which party ballot to choose but you can’t say “give me both”.
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I probably confused everyone including myself.

The laws governing state primaries are complex and nuanced to say the least, and state primary laws have been a cause of confusion among voters and election administrators alike.The manner in which party primary elections are conducted varies widely from state to state. Primaries can be categorized as either closed, partially closed, partially open, open to unaffiliated voters, open or top-two.

I was basically referring to the states that are now trying to pass legislatures that would make it legal to vote in both the Democrat and Republican primaries in their states.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know about that rugged individualist stuff, which is anathema to a civilized society. I support candidates whose values align with mine both via donations and at the ballot box. I do not want a smug incumbent who looks at the voter rolls and thinks "I have more (D)s than (R)s in my district; I don't have to appeal to anyone to keep my job." I want them to be hungry. I want them to take stands on issues and appeal to the electorate, not sit pat on their fat rumps. If the candidate I'm offered sucks, I'll either vote for someone else, or leave the check box blank. I will vote (and have) for an (R) candidate if IMO he/she is the better person for the job. My duty as a citizen is to study the issues and candidates and choose wisely. It is not to be a lock-step partisan.
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Our MOs are different, I suppose.
I vote for whom I want in the Democratic Primary.
I vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

My hatred for Republicans is clearly more viscerally felt than yours.
I would be incapable of voting for one under any circumstances.
Republicans have and do demonstrably diminish my life, and anybody who is willing to have (R) appear after his/her/its name forfeits human status as far as I'm concerned.
This is best illustrated by my support for Democrats for whom I have very little if any respect.
Not supporting them increases a Republican's chance of winning, and if I believed in mortal sins, doing that is perhaps on a level with child molestation or abusing puppies--something with which I could never live..
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Our MOs are different, I suppose.
I vote for whom I want in the Democratic Primary.
I vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

My hatred for Republicans is clearly more viscerally felt than yours.
I would be incapable of voting for one under any circumstances.
Republicans have and do demonstrably diminish my life, and anybody who is willing to have (R) appear after his/her/its name forfeits human status as far as I'm concerned.
This is best illustrated by my support for Democrats for whom I have very little if any respect.
Not supporting them increases a Republican's chance of winning, and if I believed in mortal sins, doing that is perhaps on a level with child molestation or abusing puppies--something with which I could never live..
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You are an assmaggot.
 
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