Didn't Conservatives staple teabags to their faces because of this very thing?

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
That was expected given democrats reputation for idiocy
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You all promised 3% growth last year if the tax cut was passed.

Actual growth: 2.9%, likely to be revised downward on Friday.

You also now hold the record for largest monthly deficit and largest trade deficit.

Next year will likely be the largest annual deficit ever.

I'm old enough to remember when you stapled a teabag to your face 10 years ago because of how worked up you got over the deficit.
 
LV426 said:
Sure they did.

These people stapled teabags to their faces to prove that they were steaming, teabaggingly mad about budget deficits.

Then, at the first opportunity, they expand the deficit by cutting taxes.

So all the shit they've been teabagging about the last ten years is bullshit because their actions don't align with their bleating, do they?
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Don't see teabaggers anymore, wonder why :palm: probably because a white guy is in charge now
 
LV426 said:
"Offhand"

Then when presented with the choice to lower taxes in 1999, what did he do?

See, you have this nasty habit of looking at things purely within a vacuum and not the big picture.

So you enact bad faith tactics by focusing on something in a vacuum, while ignoring the greater context.
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We both know Clinton raised and lowered taxes. In 1999 he vetoed a tax cut bill and signed a bill to deregulate the financial industry. During his term he created the child tax credit, lowered capital gains, cut taxes on small businesses, removed the tax on profits from the sell of a house under a certain amount, tax cuts for educational and retirement accounts, lowered estate taxes, etc.

During his term: "Federal spending fell from 20.7% GDP in 1993 to 17.6% GDP in 2000, below the historical average (1966 to 2015) of 20.2% GDP.

As studies have shown, the strongest economy has often occurred during a divided government.
 
LV426 said:
But because Conservative policy lacks merit doesn't mean liberal policy also lacks merit. You seem to think it does because of the bothsiderism disease you have.
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Of course it does. It is happening right now with liberals whining about the debt and deficit yet continuing to spend when in office. Until now they have been telling us how the Mueller report is going to find all kinds of crimes that will get Trump indicted or impeached. The same phony posturing as Republicans do.
 
LV426 said:
And now you get to own the largest deficits ever, including the largest monthly deficit EVER last month.
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You get to own it. You control the House which has to pass the budget. Why would they pass a budget with trillion dollar deficits?

I want to see some of those teabags stapled to faces. Can you provide some pictures or links.
 
Flash said:
We both know Clinton raised and lowered taxes
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Clinton raised income taxes and lowered capital gains taxes.

When presented with an $800B revenue reduction in 1999, he vetoed it.

Lowering capital gains taxes fueled the dotcom bubble and subsequent market collapse, proving once again that cutting taxes is usually bad policy.


In 1999 he vetoed a tax cut bill and signed a bill to deregulate the financial industry.
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Which have nothing to do with one another. So you're trying to enact bad faith again by diverting and deflecting to the deregulation, however, the problem with that is that deregulation isn't responsible for Bush lowering standards for subprime loans 5 years later. The lowering of those standards is what caused the subsequent economic collapse, as the Fed and Bush's own Working Group on Financial markets both say:

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...s update.pdf

"Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or enforcement process that can be reasonably linked to the subprime lending activity. This fact weakens the link between the CRA and the current crisis since the crisis is rooted in poor performance of mortgage loans made between 2004 and 2007. "
https://www.federalreserve.gov/images/20081203_analysis.pdf

Now, the quesiton becomes why do you feel the need to deflect to Clinton when talking about Conservatives who posture over the deficit, but who always increase it when given the chance?
 
Flash said:
During his term: "Federal spending fell from 20.7% GDP in 1993 to 17.6% GDP in 2000, below the historical average (1966 to 2015) of 20.2% GDP
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So you use one single, cherry-picked metric to make a determination in a vacuum again, because the facts are that every single year, federal outlays increased.

Clinton didn't cut spending.

Spending grew every single year Clinton was President.

The reason federal spending as a percent of GDP fell was because THE PACE OF GDP GROWTH WAS FASTER THAN THE PACE OF OUTLAY INCREASES.

Flash, this is the epitome of a bad faith argument [/U]you're making.

Spending-as-a-percent of GDP, a metric Congress does not use when devising its budgets, declined because of the rate of the economic expansion that happened over that period. An expansion Conservatives said would never happen because Clinton raised taxes in 1993.

Federal Outlays grew from $1.409T in 1993 to $1.862T in 2001, which is a 32% increase.


As studies have shown, the strongest economy has often occurred during a divided government.
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Correlation does not equal causation.
 
Flash said:
It is happening right now with liberals whining about the debt and deficit
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I figured out what your problem is; you don't listen to people.

We aren't whining about deficits and debt; we are raising the fact that the people who teabagged about both are increasing both with their policies.

That isn't the same thing as posturing over the debt with crocodile tears.

I've said eight times now that bringing up the fact that Conservatives are hypocrites on the debt doesn't mean I share their fake concerns!

For some reason, your brain won't let your eyes see that sentence.

So you continuing arguing a lie because confronting the lie would be too damaging to your ego.
 
LV426 said:
No, it doesn't!

Would you say that someone saying the sky is red has the same merit as someone who says the sky is blue?
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Bad example. One is telling me the sky is red and the other is telling me it is yellow. And you think you have to believe one side because they appealed to your emotions.
 
Flash said:
Until now they have been telling us how the Mueller report is going to find all kinds of crimes that will get Trump indicted or impeached. The same phony posturing as Republicans do.
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Well, we don't know what the Mueller report says because Conservatives are hiding it.

All we have to go on is the word of Bill Barr, and his word isn't credible becuase he was hand picked by Trump.

GOP: The report clears Trump.

All: Let's see the report.

GOP: No.

So explain to me where the Mueller report disproves the allegations of collusion in that?

Don't you think you should read the report for yourself instead of blindly accepting what Trump's hand-picked AG tells you?
 
Flash said:
Which ones (who)?
This should make you happy:
"FSSAI bans staple pins in tea bags on health concerns"
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Staple pins in teabags, not used to attach a teabag to your face to prove how much you care about the deficit and debt.

Which ones? Rand Paul for starters.
 
Flash said:
You get to own it
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Why do I get to own it? I'm not the one who passed the massive tax cut that created it.


Flash said:
You control the House which has to pass the budget.
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Budgets are passed on the Fiscal Year, which was last September/October.

The tax cut was passed in December 2017.

So what the fuck are you talking about?


Why would they pass a budget with trillion dollar deficits?
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The deficit isn't something Democrats have made their orthodoxy. It is, however, something Conservatives made their orthodoxy, and they betrayed that orthodoxy when they passed their tax cut.
 
Flash said:
One is telling me the sky is red and the other is telling me it is yellow.
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You should really see a professional about the Bothsiderism disease you have.

If Democrats' economic policy is without merit, how come Obama had sustained growth (economic, job, and market) over his eight years while simultaneously reducing the deficit.

Clinton and Obama are the only two Presidents over the last 40 years to leave office with smaller deficits than the one they inherited.

They are also the only two President to leave office with economies that weren't in total collapse and in need of bailouts.

Conservatives can't make either claim.
 
LV426 said:
You need to "pox on both houses" because your brain simply cannot process the fact that some people are simply wrong and evil.
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oldest fringe kook retort of all, 'everybody does it' so STFU

that's like a bank robber telling the cops lots of people rob banks, what's the big deal?
 
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